Newbie wants recommendation for Squirrel and coyote rifle

[elsie]

Think grey mush after that little pill goes thru the yotell's brain.There are you tube vids on that too.
Now distance has to be close I would believe for enough energy to penetrate a coyote skull?

I probably wouldn't try a head shot with a .17 HMR at over 200 yards. The ballistic tips fragment easily so it might not penetrate the skull. I haven't seen the youtube vids, but they might be using hollow points or fmj. OTOH, they fragment well enough that a body shot at 200 might be good enough.

Either way, I'd go with a center fire for a 'yote. But that's just me.


elsie

 

[mikeybuck]

Check out the "22 hornet"
I have one and it works great on coyotes and other small game under 200 yards.

 

[mjbskwim]

Yeah as far as terminal ballistics? or danger to humans,the 17 could be as bad with a miss.And the noise factor isn't much different so your not really gaining anything by going rimfire

 

[Silver Hand]

Get up early and find some CCI stingers to put in your new bolt action .22 for the squirrels.
Then call the state trapper, he has some really cool stuff for the coyotes.
Silver Hand

 

[RicInOR]

22 is available. You just have to pay shipping.


http://www.gunbot.net/ammo/22lr/
Example today:
<broken link removed> $0.08/rd [$8.49] in stock [Cabelas]

 

[DieselScout]

So....is the OP ever coming back?

 

[mjbskwim]

The last I heard the squirrels got his nuts and the coyotes got the rest

 

[Bon Sauvage]

If you're interested in going old school then I'd say a 36 or possibly a 40 caliber caplock.

 

[spectra]

Oh god the horror! what a mess. The first one I played had a long range slow motion of it's head exploding.

I remember my first squirrel with my 7mm....I was 16 or so and it was one boring day out hunting deer......

 

[pioneer461]

I've hit tree-rats with both .223 soft points, and .17 HMR ballistic tips. Both are very effective and leave very little for the scavengers to clean up.

 

[Silver Hand]

I've hit tree-rats with both .223 soft points, and .17 HMR ballistic tips. Both are very effective and leave very little for the scavengers to clean up.

I like loading 55 gr. SX pills for my .223 / SX =Super Explosive, I found nothing else quite like them for a .223.
Silver Hand

 

[lucky guy]

Yeah as far as terminal ballistics? or danger to humans,the 17 could be as bad with a miss.And the noise factor isn't much different so your not really gaining anything by going rimfire

No noise difference between a 17 and a 223? Really? Mine are waaay different!

17's don't ricochet as much. I shoot the 20 gr hornady's instead of the 17gr bt's, exc coyote medicine out to 150.

If you handload you can also download a 223 to 22 hornet levels or even less with the right powders. But a couple hundred dollar Marlin or Savage 17 with the 20 gr hp's is gonna be hard to beat for an orchard gun. Want to have more fun with it, look at the Henry 17 lever gun!

Cheers!

 

[mjbskwim]

Yes there is a noise difference between the 2,but there is enough of a crack to the 17 that it will be heard just fine by the neighbors.

 

[lucky guy]

Yes there is a noise difference between the 2,but there is enough of a crack to the 17 that it will be heard just fine by the neighbors.

If noise is the issue, how about std vel or subsonic 22's, plenty for the rodents out to 100. I'm with the others who say that 22 is not hard to find today, even std's and subsonics. It might be your best choice. Or you might have to buy two rifles, always a good option!

How far out for the coyotes?

Cheers.

 

[mjbskwim]

I wouldn't bother shooting coyotes with subsonics past 20yds
I may have said this already in this thread but I saw coyote take a 20ga load of bird shot any run away at less than 20yds.
No sense in just wounding the thing

 

[lucky guy]

I wouldn't bother shooting coyotes with subsonics past 20yds
I may have said this already in this thread but I saw coyote take a 20ga load of bird shot any run away at less than 20yds.
No sense in just wounding the thing

No comparison in the penetration with shot. So how far?

I'm beginning to think there may not be a solution.

Cheers!

 

[mjbskwim]

No comparison in the penetration with shot. So how far?

I'm beginning to think there may not be a solution.

Cheers!

And that's the rub right there.
That's why the coyotes come into urban areas,nobody can shoot them!
With a sub sonic 22 round,there will be a comparison in penetration cause you just don't have much energy.And on a thick skinned animal,I don't think you will get much penetration.At least not enough to hit vitals every time

 

[Joe13]

Spring for a PCP Airgun. Get a .25 cal+ and its super quite as well.

 

[Certaindeaf]

Spring for a PCP Airgun. Get a .25 cal+ and its super quite as well.

For that thousand yard stare.. with a tear coming down? lol

 

[Joe13]

For that thousand yard stare.. with a tear coming down? lol

Psshh... I thought we are talking in an orchard by houses - I didnt't think (assumed) line of sight was a couple hundred at most.

I think those Brits are hunting deer with the things, should be fine for a skinny dog.