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New WA silencer use bill.

Discussion in 'NFA Weapon Discussion' started by Ranb, Dec 17, 2010.

  1. Ranb

    Ranb Belfair, WA Active Member

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    A new bill to allow the use of registered silencers in WA was submitted to the House on 12/14/10. http://apps.leg.wa.gov/documents/billdocs/2011-12/Pdf/Bills/House%20Bills/1016.pdf

    The sponsors are Blake, Condotta, Armstrong, Shea, Kretz, Klippert, McCune, Takko, Van De Wege, Dunshee, Probst, Liias, Miloscia, Finn, Hurst, Springer, Goodman, Rodne, Orcutt, Haigh, Dickerson, Taylor, Warnick, and Hope. If the performance (or lack) of the sponsors of last year's bill 1604 is typical, then all of these sponsors need lots of attention in the form of letters and meetings.

    You can find your Representative here; http://www.leg.wa.gov/House/Pages/MembersByDistrict.aspx The most important Representatives to contact are the Judiciary committee members here; http://www.leg.wa.gov/House/Committees/JUDI/Pages/MembersStaff.aspx Senators are here; http://www.leg.wa.gov/Senate/Senators/Pages/default.aspx The Senate Judiciary members are here; http://www.leg.wa.gov/Senate/Committees/JUD/Pages/MembersStaff.aspx

    Last year's bill 1604 which died in committee time after time only had six sponsors. I do not know why Upthegrove, Ross and Crouse did not sponsor this new bill, but having 23 sponsors has to be better than six. Kathy Haigh told me a while back that she would not sponsor the bill, maybe this means she will push to get it a hearing.

    Unfortunately this bill will not do enough to allow shooters to reduce noise at a rifle range, but it is a very good start. It will only allow the use of registered devices, not other contrivances like shooting boxes or insulated shooting rooms. I had asked Condotta to include words that exempted devices not attached to the firearm, but they did not change the bill at all.

    If anyone wants to meet with their Rep, but wants company, I am willing to go with if the meeting is within 100 miles of Seattle.

    Ranb
     
  2. PBinWA

    PBinWA Clark County Well-Known Member

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    I sent a message to my reps. Keep up the good fight Ranb!
     
  3. Ranb

    Ranb Belfair, WA Active Member

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    I think the most significant development in this new bill is that there are at least two Representatives who a year before had no interest in firearm suppression, but are now interested enough to put their names on the bill. I do not think it was the letters I sent to them that made the difference. It was meeting with them face to face.

    When I met with Haigh, I dressed like a nerd (I actually am a bit nerdy). The person with who went with me was educated at the same college as she, and also worked in the medical field. While we both are very interested in guns, we presented a very non-threatening picture while meeting with her. In other words, we were not loud threatening stereotypical gun nuts in cammies proclaiming how our 2nd amendment rights were being trampled on by her for not getting out and pushing for the bill.

    I also brought a small 9mm silencer for her to examine. She perked up at this and examined it closely as she had never seen one before. Since it was obviously just a simple muffler, it probably completely took out any mystique she may have had for silencers. As a vet who puts down sick and injured animals she was familiar with guns and could appreciate the value of making them less noisy.

    My meeting with Finn was a bit different. It was mainly to discuss obtaining an AG opinion on exactly what kind of suppression devices RCW 9.41.250(c) bans use of. But we were also able to get in some time on the silencer bill. The person with me was dressed in a long coat with a cowboy hat and was packing a sidearm. Something like a cross between an urban cowboy and Wyatt Earp. He did not dress up for the occasion, but that was how he normally was. But again we were otherwise low key while meeting Finn at the Bremerton Airport Diner.

    At both meetings, as well as the one with Pedersen, we were careful to listen and not interrupt. There was time for everyone to voice their views. While there were disagreements, everyone was civil. The best way to lose support is to be cross or angry. If you make a claim, be prepared to show evidence to support it, or at the very least, qualify the claim. For example if you are trying to show that silencers are hardly ever used in crime, it is a bad idea to claim they are never used, but instead say that there is very little evidence that they are used to commit crime. It is very unlikely that any of the Reps have ever heard of any silencer crime. I have a list of silencer crimes in WA state if anyone needs it. I brought documentation to support most of what I was talking about at all of the meetings. This included a copy of the RCW, the bill, federal statutes controlling silencers, example of an ATF registration form, opinions from lawyers on silencer law, a reference book (Paulson’s) on silencers and for one meeting an actual silencer.

    In a nutshell, I am saying that anyone who is interested in seeing this bill passed into law needs to sit down for a face to face meeting with their Rep and Senator. It works better than any letter. Even if your Reps are Republicans, do not assume that they will support the bill in any way. The only two people in Olympia that told me they refuse to support the bill are Republicans. Even Kline is on the fence now.

    If anyone can get a meeting with Kline, I really want to go with. Thanks.

    Ranb
     
  4. Ranb

    Ranb Belfair, WA Active Member

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    Here is some material that can be helpful if you want to write to your Senator or Representative. Feel free to use the below letter for ideas, but do not simply copy and paste it.

    If you are writing to a Senate Judiciary committee member, then ask them to give bill 1016 a hearing if it passes the House. If you are writing to a House member, ask them to tell Chairman Pedesen that the bill is a priority and needs a hearing.

    Ranb
     
  5. Ranb

    Ranb Belfair, WA Active Member

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    Here are some position letters I received from the Washington Association of Sheriffs and Police Chiefs and the Washington Council of Police and Sheriffs. Feel free to print these out, but be sure to give credit to me as they were not addressed to you. It is best to write your own letter and print these pages out and include them with the letter.

    Here is a summary of silencer crime in Washington State.

    You will need to reformat the data in the crime summary if you want to print it out and send it along with your letter. I have the letters from the countys if you need them. Feel free to ask your Reps to contract me if they have questions about this data.

    Ranb
     
  6. nubus

    nubus Guest

    I personally hate the whole dead in committee outcome of any legislation. If it was important enough to be introduced it should at least be considered. It gives the members of the board a very broad sword to ignore anything that doesn't fancy them. I am very glad to see more supporters on the introduction this year. From the inception of the ban it has only been a re-wording that would fix the whole issue. Seems like a lot of trouble to just get "and those in legal possession" added to the RCW. I live in Olympia and would be happy to face to face with my officials. This is just a simple fix that has been pushed aside too many times already. Well I'll say it again... Maybe this year!
     
  7. 8ball

    8ball WA Quit talkin' and start chalking!

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    Nice work Ranb!

    I agree that being civil and not coming across as the stereotypical gun nut is a good idea.
     
  8. Ranb

    Ranb Belfair, WA Active Member

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    Any legislator can write up a bill and sponsor it. Pedersen told me that he only gives about 25% of the bills a hearing because there are so many. I do not find this hard to believe. I also believed him when he told me that there was very little support for the old bill (1604) in the last few sessions.

    There does seem to be more attention to suppressor use now though. But the House is only half the battle. Kline and the Senate are the other half. If the Democrat Kline does not block a hearing, Republican Roach might. We need to meet with both and convince them the bill needs a hearing if it passes the House.

    You are right about that broad sword though. Those committee chairmen have lots of power. If we can chip away at the restrictions by allowing registered silencer use, then it will be easier to completely get rid of RCW 9.41.250(c) or amend the statute further by allowing the use of any device not attached to the gun.

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  9. atypicalparkie

    atypicalparkie sowfeast poetland, ohraygun Member

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    :thumbup:Ranb! I live in Oregon, lived in WA up until '05 & you're doing all of us a great service with your hard work. It is just a trip that it isn't legal for people in WA to own a silencer/supressor OR use an external noise abatement set-up like those you've described. And it's good for us all to remember that opposition comes from some in both major parties.
     
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    mxitman N. Seattle Member

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    RanB Your doing great work man, Hopefully this year we will get some more attention to it. Just for your FYI I'm very against new taxes...but if this had some incentive for the reps such as a special use permit addition to state issued CPL's; that would cost some additional amount of $$ I bet it would come up for a vote at least... But I'm sure thats allot more work for them. I wouldn't mind having some stamp on my CPL allowing Silencer use.
     
  11. Markjz

    Markjz Longview, WA Member

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    what? blake and takko? your kidding right? oh well we are talking about local politicians who haven't been brainwashed by DC.
     
  12. Ranb

    Ranb Belfair, WA Active Member

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    Most of the Dems that are sponsoring I know nothing about. I sent all the Democrats letters and DVD's explaining about silencers, but only Haigh, Finn and a few other of the Democrats wrote back. Maybe I got through to the others. Who knows?

    Markjz,

    Are Blake and Takko in your district? If they are, please write to them and ask them if sponsoring the bill means they will tell Pedersen that it is a priority and it should get a hearing. If they are not willing to do this, then they are just lip serivce like Upthegrove was.

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  13. SonicBlue03

    SonicBlue03 Snohomish Well-Known Member

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    I like Dunshee, and glad to see he's sponsoring this. He's been by the house twice when he was campaigning for votes; had to tell him I already voted for him and have had communications with him in the past. Time to dust those off and reaffirm my appreciation for his efforts.
     
  14. Ranb

    Ranb Belfair, WA Active Member

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    Is Dunshee the kind of guy who would tell the House Judiciary Chairman to give the bill a hearing?

    Ranb
     
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    crosse Bellevue Active Member

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    sent...chopp, pederson, and murray got my page long plea for HB1016
     
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    SonicBlue03 Snohomish Well-Known Member

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    I got the impression, yes. He was doing neighborhood door-by-door walkarounds. We live in a division that's really away from others, and he went through ours not once but twice. We talked about gun rights when he was by the first time, and he came across pretty honest. He seemed more blue collar than politician.

    He, Hobbs, and Hope all stepped up and got back to me almost immediately on that Klein bill earlier this year, and Hobbs even called me at home on a Friday night to make sure I knew he was serious about defeating it.
     
  17. Markjz

    Markjz Longview, WA Member

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    next we get full auto bill : D
     
  18. stmcelroy

    stmcelroy Madras, OR Well-Known Member

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    :rofl1::rofl1::rofl1:
     
  19. Ranb

    Ranb Belfair, WA Active Member

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    If the silencer bill passes, then I want to work on short barreled rifles and shotguns. Prior to 1994, there were no laws in WA banning them. Then they were made contraband by attaching that bill to an education bill. Any legislator that wanted to save SBS/SBR, had to vote against education. Not fair if you ask me.

    They were obviously not attempting to ban them as crime prevention. The only legal SBS/SBR in the state of course were those that were registered with the feds and the ones already in WA by 1994 were grandfathered in. So the bill making them contraband was aimed directly at the law abiding residents that own guns legally, not at the criminal element.

    Ranb
     
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    Ranb Belfair, WA Active Member

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    That is good, but he might need a little nudge. None of the sponsors of bill 1604 were willing to do so. Make sure you remind him that he needs to tell Pedersen that the bill is a priority. That is what Pedersen is looking for.

    I was looking at the list of Judiciary committee members. http://www.leg.wa.gov/House/Committees/JUDI/Pages/MembersStaff.aspx Goodman, Rodne, Shea and Warnick are bill 1016 sponsors and Judiciary committee members. I actually have a good feeling about this. I am going to devote more of my time to working over the Senate with letters. :)

    Ranb