New political organizations

[baker3gun]

I built an organization to create a financial incentive for reporting vote or election fraud. A Whistleblower Reward program.

I asked for feedback, etc.

I appreciate the responses.

Otherwise unproductive.

I deleted all my subsequent posts and edited the OP. In hindsight, it was nice to be able to go back and do that.

The site is vfbounty.org.

Gonna continue efforts elsewhere.

Thx.

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[mrblond]

I dont see anything like that ever happening. If you really want to clean house and really change things you need someone with ultimate power, A king, or an emperor. Someone who does not need to listen to the other branches of government or the courts. We would lose all of what our for fathers fought and died for and of course lose all those freedoms we think we may get by the changes.
Caesar did this and we all know what happened to him.

 

[dancinghippos]

This is a good idea. And of course any org that supports 2A. I see you have been on line for a day, and have (at present) about $106 from 4 donors. It is too early to tell what your success will be. Don't know how far your message has reached. Only see it here.
You can't compare yourself to GoFundMe pages established by liberals to support other liberals whoh are big in the news. Blassey Ford was headline news in Hollywood. It was all planned once they couldn't get rid of Kavanaugh by the traditional methods. Peter Strzok of course is part of a news stream that rich liberals choose to suppress. And all the examples you post are with GoFundMe. People know and trust GoFundMe with their credit card numbers, even if they dont know the fundraising entity.

 

[Stomper]

First.... the largest upcoming voter fraud is "motor voter" enrollment. You get a driver license, you're automatically registered to vote. Oregon has it, is a proud "sanctuary" state, has recently overturned the will of the people and passed driver license legislation (with emergency clause to preempt another public referendum vote) to allow ILLEGAL ALIENS to obtain Oregon state issued driver licenses... guess what the voter demographic is going to be. It's all part of the plan to disenfranchise the American citizen's "power of the vote".


Here's the main question that I have:

So one makes a report of "verifiable" voter or election fraud, then what? Those in power probably already know about it (hell, they're probably behind it!) who's going to actually DO anything about it?


I applaud your conviction, energy, and efforts.... but sadly, "nobody" cares anymore. The vast majority of "citizens" only care about "getting by", not missing their favorite TV program, getting their "fix" (cigs, booze, dope, vape pens, online porn, etc). What do you do with the information reported? Submit it to those in authority within the system so they can fix the very system that's broken in the first place? The judges are corrupt, the prosecutors are corrupt, the rulers are corrupt, and the "constituency" is corrupt.

We can all see that the Republic is almost dead, that much is clear. It's not going to "fix" itself from "within"... the tree of Liberty is thirsty, and it requires only one thing, and it's color is NOT the "green" of money.

 

[awshoot]

I like the idea but I do have a concern -- the rewards are very high and might actually encourage people to collude in order to cheat you. It doesn't look like the election fraud penalties are all that severe -- the worst one is when a person changes their name to be similar to a famous elected official (Class B felony), there are a bunch of Class C felonies for voters, and most of the official misconduct seems to be a gross misdemeanor: Chapter 29A.84 RCW: CRIMES AND PENALTIES (just do a ctrl-f for "felony" or "gross" to see what I mean).

If you report election officials or canvassers or volunteers or contractors who illegally influence the voting activity of individual voters, or buy empty ballots, or falsify absentee ballots, or intentionally "lose" batches of ballots, the reward can be as high as $300,000.

Look at RCW 29A.84.410: Unlawful appropriation, printing, or distribution. -- this is a gross misdemeanor and if the person did any jail time, it would be less than a year and the person wouldn't lose any civil rights either -- if the person had no priors, probably just probation. So, one person decides to be the fall guy, the other person the whistleblower, and they split the pot. Personally if it was me, I'd want more if I had to take the jail risk, but even earning half of $300k for a year in the pokey (absolute worst case) would tempt at least a few people.

Perhaps the rewards should be in the hundreds of dollars, maybe low thousands, but in the 100k range, you are likely to be burned. I do like the idea though.

 

[MannyGlocks]

Dave,

Maybe, some folks think you're asking for money to fund your ideas.

Are you...?

 

[MannyGlocks]

Dave,

Skepticism is my middle name when causes come forth with what 'sounds' like noble and plausible ideas...that require money.

Not saying you're scamming, but what's to say you're not?

 

[arakboss]

First.... the largest upcoming voter fraud is "motor voter" enrollment. You get a driver license, you're automatically registered to vote. Oregon has it, is a proud "sanctuary" state, has recently overturned the will of the people and passed driver license legislation (with emergency clause to preempt another public referendum vote) to allow ILLEGAL ALIENS to obtain Oregon state issued driver licenses... guess what the voter demographic is going to be. It's all part of the plan to disenfranchise the American citizen's "power of the vote".


Here's the main question that I have:

So one makes a report of "verifiable" voter or election fraud, then what? Those in power probably already know about it (hell, they're probably behind it!) who's going to actually DO anything about it?


I applaud your conviction, energy, and efforts.... but sadly, "nobody" cares anymore. The vast majority of "citizens" only care about "getting by", not missing their favorite TV program, getting their "fix" (cigs, booze, dope, vape pens, online porn, etc). What do you do with the information reported? Submit it to those in authority within the system so they can fix the very system that's broken in the first place? The judges are corrupt, the prosecutors are corrupt, the rulers are corrupt, and the "constituency" is corrupt.

We can all see that the Republic is almost dead, that much is clear. It's not going to "fix" itself from "within"... the tree of Liberty is thirsty, and it requires only one thing, and it's color is NOT the "green" of money.

@Stomper you should get the first 400k Reward for pointing out the major voter fraud being imposed on us by the Anti Party.

If I were you I would settle for the $106.00

 

[arakboss]

Is the well to do lady on the phone tattling on the black guy or the antifa girl who lost her mask.

 

[MannyGlocks]

Dave,

Who is the 'we' you reference?

I'm under the impression your organization is in the nascent stage...

I thought at this point, you're a one man band.

Yes?

No?

 

[arakboss]

Hello arakboss.

Three months ago I volunteered for House District 60 on your reddit. See DSinOR posts at the bottom of that thread. Sorry to see that effort apparently didn't gain any traction.

If you have thoughts or ideas on how startup political orgs can work to gain a little traction, I hope you'll share them.

I'm glad to see your responses on this thread; you are one of the more active and effective political leaders on this site.

As mentioned above, I'm working on a similar website and organization for 2A support. It won't be a reward site. It will be a mix of public education and direct political action. A 501c4 can engage in unlimited lobbying, education, and advocacy efforts, and is also permitted to spend up to 49% of its donation revenue on direct contributions and independent expenditures in elections, ie to directly support or oppose candidates. Most 501c4's limit their direct political expenditures to 40% of the annual budget.

Perhaps in a week or so I'll post a password here to access the staging site and get some feedback from you folks.

Thanks,

Dave

Joking a side, I hope you have better luck than I did. I have learned that the 2A community is a pretty independent bunch. They just want to be left alone and it takes a big effort to get them on board for much beyond a yearly donation to their favorite 2A supporting Org. I burned myself out earlier this year. Hopefully I can get back some motivation to go at it again next year. A 2A supporter, I am. A leader, I am not. I wish you luck on your endeavor.

 

[bbbass]

1 - Prison reform to reduce recidivism. Our prison system does not rehabilitate. We need to fix that.

Some public hangings will fix that! I'll guarantee they won't do it again.

My step-daughter works for the parole board in Boise for the State of Idaho... despite her often negative recommendations, they are letting people loose as fast as they can!! It's political, that's what needs to be fixed.