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New NASA Data Blow Gaping Hole In Global Warming Alarmism

Discussion in 'Off Topic' started by Trlsmn, Jul 28, 2011.

  1. Trlsmn

    Trlsmn In Utero (Portland) Well-Known Member

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    I'll just leave this here...


    New NASA Data Blow Gaping Hole In Global Warming Alarmism - Yahoo! News

    New NASA Data Blow Gaping Hole In Global Warming Alarmism
     
  2. Cougfan2

    Cougfan2 Hillsboro, OR Well-Known Member

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    I read that article earlier. Pretty interesting. If you want to understand all of this global warming BS, just follow the money. Most of the guys trying to sell the global warming scare tactics get govt funding to keep themselves employed. If there's no crisis, there's no funding for their studies. Wasn't it global cooling several years back. Riiiiiight. When they debunked that, they had to come up with a new crisis to keep the cash coming.
     
  3. Trlsmn

    Trlsmn In Utero (Portland) Well-Known Member

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    global+climate+disruption+demotivational+poster.jpg
     
  4. JGRuby

    JGRuby Portland Oregon New Member

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    Where is the link to NASA's report - I dont know John Taylor or for that fact trust him on anything. For all I know he is a the leader of his own company. To me this proves nothing.

    James Ruby
     
  5. PlayboyPenguin

    PlayboyPenguin Pacific Northwest Well-Known Member 2016 Volunteer

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    As well you shouldn't. This "report" is simply a misrepresentation of NASA's finding by a biased think tank that was created solely to support free market idealism. In other words it is an organization with an agenda sponsored by corporate interests. NASA has taken no such "anti-warming" stance nor have they promoted any such ideas. The fact that this guy gives himself a misleading title does not change the fact he is purely a mouth piece for a corporate sponsored organization.

    He does not work for any recognized global authority on climate and no such organization has taken an "anti-warming" position. If you really want to follow the money, the only positions against global warming can all be easily traced back to free market interests.
     
  6. Sasquatchvnv

    Sasquatchvnv Port Orchard Active Member

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    Religious beliefs die hard...
     
  7. Trlsmn

    Trlsmn In Utero (Portland) Well-Known Member

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    Here is the data white sheet with the science and the references. If you disagree please attack the science instead of the source.

    http://www.mdpi.com/2072-4292/3/8/1603/pdf

     
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    Trlsmn In Utero (Portland) Well-Known Member

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    Perhaps you might actually read the article before bashing it? Just a thought, carry on...

    Perhaps you might actually read the article before bashing it? Just a thought, carry on...
     
  9. Smoke It

    Smoke It northwest New Member

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    Yah and 911 was and inside job
    does anyone ever read the Farmers Almanac anymore it's all in there this global warming is a scam pure and simple
     
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    riverrat373 Washington State Member

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  11. Trlsmn

    Trlsmn In Utero (Portland) Well-Known Member

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    Are you guys blind or do you not see this in the article?

     
  12. PlayboyPenguin

    PlayboyPenguin Pacific Northwest Well-Known Member 2016 Volunteer

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    Perhaps you might want to understand that the UAH campus is about the size of a Wal-Mart and that the gentlemen you seem to be promoting as experts are not affiliated with NASA in any official capacity in any field regarding climate. In fact Spencer is little more than an ex-employee of NASA that worked on gathering short term satellite data on weather patterns. UAH has also been blasted in the past as supporting corporate interests (I used to live on Governor's House drive 2 minutes from the campus). In fact Lockheed Martin used to subsidize most of their staff.

    Please link any validating information published officially from NASA. I doubt you will find any.

    Roy Spenser's opinions are mostly based on assumption made over month long studies and are scientifically laughable since decades long studies are needed to make conclusions like the ones he jumps to based on speculation. This is also the same man that is a huge supporter of "intelligent Design." He has also been exposed many times as someone who has a little experience but has taken a lot of money to lend his name to conservative publications regarding climate. He in fact has little scientific weight but is instead considered a bit of an outsider by most of the scientific community. He is more concerned with ideology than he is science. Still, he does not try to say climate change is not happening. his official stance is that it is most likely a natural occurrence that we cannot stop.

    It really is a dead give away that you have an agenda here when you so frequently post misleading information on a cause that you have very little stake in or understanding of other than what is put forth by right wing media. You seem to have somehow come to think the corporate interests in the issue are your interests as well. You like to try and disprove a completely understood and accepted scientific principle by posting conservative interpretations of data without actually providing official opinions from the people that actually collected the data. Once again...how about you post any official opinions from any national recognized authority on climate that states global climate change is not occurring at an alarming rate.
     
  13. PlayboyPenguin

    PlayboyPenguin Pacific Northwest Well-Known Member 2016 Volunteer

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    Just because he once held a job (but no longer holds) and now sells his opinions to conservative think tanks we are supposed to believe him?
     
  14. Trlsmn

    Trlsmn In Utero (Portland) Well-Known Member

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    There's always a reason why the person isn't good enough for you guys. Apparently now a Doctorate and actual NASA scientist isn't enough to qualify as credible. :bluelaugh::laugh::bluelaugh: Well who is credible enough to be worthy of credibility? The only people you "Global Whatever it is This Week" will believe is anyone who agrees with you.

    Feel free to give all your money to these people but don't vote to take my money you idealists! :thumbup:
     
  15. PlayboyPenguin

    PlayboyPenguin Pacific Northwest Well-Known Member 2016 Volunteer

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    And just how is acknowledging the fact that the earth is warming, the climate is changing, and that man-made contributions to said change are possible and therefore possibly avoidable? Just who stands to gain from promoting climate change if it is not happening? We all know who is clearing financially benefiting from pretending it isn't happening.
     
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    Sasquatchvnv Port Orchard Active Member

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    JGRuby Portland Oregon New Member

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    Trismn
    I mean no offense but the report by John Taylor after rereading it does not have NASA representation - it is a report by JohnTaylor and he is using NASA in name only, Mr. Taylor has no authorative postion inside NASA he is an independent. I would have more respect if his report came from NASA and not Mr. Taylor - point me at NASA's version on NASA's website and I will concede your point. Also why does it not say which "peered-reviewed scientific journal"? You maybe right but it will take more than someone saying NASA said so, show me where NASA says it.

    James Ruby
     
  18. JGRuby

    JGRuby Portland Oregon New Member

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    I did some research on Roy Spencer that put the scientific paper together
    here are some views of his
    He testified before the Waxman committee's examination of political interference with climate science on March 19, 2007.[20][21]

    Spencer is a signatory of the Cornwall Alliance for the Stewardship of Creation's "An Evangelical Declaration on Global Warming".[22]

    The declaration states:

    "We believe Earth and its ecosystems — created by God’s intelligent design and infinite power and sustained by His faithful providence — are robust, resilient, self-regulating, and self-correcting, admirably suited for human flourishing, and displaying His glory. Earth's climate system is no exception."


    Spencer is a proponent of intelligent design as the mechanism for the origin of species.[25] On the subject, Spencer wrote in 2005, "Twenty years ago, as a PhD scientist, I intensely studied the evolution versus intelligent design controversy for about two years. And finally, despite my previous acceptance of evolutionary theory as 'fact,' I came to the realization that intelligent design, as a theory of origins, is no more religious, and no less scientific, than evolutionism. . . . In the scientific community, I am not alone. There are many fine books out there on the subject. Curiously, most of the books are written by scientists who lost faith in evolution as adults, after they learned how to apply the analytical tools they were taught in college."

    Based on his beleifs I am sceptical of his position as a scientist. I have no right to tell him what he should believe but based on his stated positions I do not wish to believe what he is telling me.

    Respectfully

    James Ruby
     
  19. Trlsmn

    Trlsmn In Utero (Portland) Well-Known Member

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    Please, do tell how we avoid climate change?

    Who gains? The government who charges taxes gains, the people who sell the carbons swaps gain? Foreign countries who could care less about carbon and who will be gladly sucking up the displaced jobs gain. Do you think these people running carbon swap derivatives will be the super rich or the poor?

    OK since I answered your question here's one for you, who do you think losses with schemes like Cap and Trade? or have you given that any thought?

    Feel free to address all those points and not just the "convenient" points.
     
  20. Trlsmn

    Trlsmn In Utero (Portland) Well-Known Member

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    Post links, you ask for them so in turn you need post links to the actual information.