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New gun show law in Tacoma

Discussion in 'Legal & Political Archive' started by Wayne, May 2, 2014.

  1. Wayne

    Wayne Near Tacoma Active Member

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  2. ak56

    ak56 Carnation, Wa Active Member

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    And just how do they plan to get around this?
     
  3. Wayne

    Wayne Near Tacoma Active Member

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    I also found this interesting.
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    When reached by email Thursday night, Knodel said his gun show is ready to provide background checks for all firearm sales if the city requires them.

    “If it is not required we will make it possible for those who wish to use it,” Knodel wrote. “Wes Knodel Gun Shows wishes to do all we can to promote public safety without treading on the rights or civil liberties of responsible gun owners.”


    Read more here: http://www.thenewstribune.com/2014/...ckground.html?sp=/99/289/&ihp=1#storylink=cpy
     
  4. 8ball

    8ball WA Quit talkin' and start chalking!

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    Wow, I go out of town for a few days and all hell breaks loose!

    Looks like the law was passed. It may not breach pre-emption because of the landlord exemption created by the Sequim case.

    http://seattletimes.com/html/localnews/2023546067_gunshowsxml.html

    Wes Knodel is used to dealing with mandatory gun show background checks in OR I assume, so it's not big surprise he is willing to do it here.
     
  5. rdb241

    rdb241 Puyallup Washington Gold Supporter Gold Supporter

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    As a matter of principal, I will be boycotting the Tacoma Dome show becuase of the assine law the city of Tacoma thinks they can enforce.
     
  6. Doc In UPlace

    Doc In UPlace Tacoma-ish Well-Known Member

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    The AK56 cite of RCW 9.41.290 is an excellent point. It appears to me that Tacoma is in plain violation of the more restrictive State provision.

    Frankly it looks like Tacoma pulled fast one on gun owners and caught us unawares. That nobody appeared in opposition to this maneuver seems indicative of the lack of public awareness.
    Truth is, with W.A.C. (Washington Arms Collectors) there is no "gun show loophole" because all members are vetted before being granted membership and only members in good standing may buy firearms at the shows.

    Of no surprise to anyone is the huge lack of press coverage regarding the WAC self-policing solution whenever the issue comes up. For example when this story was running about the Tacoma Dome shows, there was not a sentence spoken regarding WAC.

    You'll see me in Puyallup but not at the Tacky Dome shows until this is repealed.
     
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  7. deadshot2

    deadshot2 NW Quadrant WA State Well-Known Member

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    For all of those outraged how Tacoma is ignoring 9.41.290, the courts have upheld their right to do so.

    Don't loose a lot of sleep over Tacoma's actions and plan on boycotting the T-Dome shows. By this time next year Universal Background Checks will be required for ALL sales in WA state due to the Initiative on the ballot this fall. WA voters have already expressed their desire for these checks even though they don't see that it's merely the "nose of the camel in the tent". Even among firearm owners there are those that feel private sales should be subject to background checks to keep them from being sold to minors and felons.

    What will be interesting is if BOTH Initiatives on the ballot pass. One requiring UBC's and the other prohibiting any regulation more restrictive than Federal Law. THAT's going to be real interesting should it happen.
     
  8. BigStick

    BigStick Sherwood, OR Well-Known Member

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    deadshot2, that is a very defeatist attitude. I am not sure I share your pessimism. Lets see how things play out in the fall before we throw in the towel.
     
  9. mjbskwim

    mjbskwim Salmon,Idaho Well-Known Member

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    As of now,that does violate the WA constitution.
    Wes will lose venders as people come to the shows to not have these checks. Not that they are felons but because it IS NOT any business of the government what we own legally
     
  10. shootnscoot

    shootnscoot Wa Well-Known Member

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    I'm curious what will become of the classified section of websites such as this if Initiative 594 passes. Pay for a background check at an FFL and wait 10 days for your used gun? Hmm.. guess we will see.
     
  11. Doc In UPlace

    Doc In UPlace Tacoma-ish Well-Known Member

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    Good point scoot, and it remains to be seen what that price might be. There are other costs, too, not measured in dollars.

    I also agree that just giving up and sitting in the road is a poor response. This here is a long fight, not a skirmish and surrender.

    Due to security clearances someone may have, people can be flagged at FBI for "having been investigated" which causes a delay in the automated instant response at NICS.

    IF the seller does not wait on the phone for 10-15 minutes waiting for the live confirmation which they are supposed to do by the way, then they'll just hang up on the system and tell the customer a nice-sounding lie which will be something like, "you are delayed and have to wait 3 business days."

    This is a situation resembling hay after the bull is done digesting it.

    The WACS organization has already solved this problem, and I am pretty surprised that they were (apparently) not on top of this situation as it developed. It could be that the measure was something snuck in at the last minute.

    Does anyone know why we didn't know this was coming?
     
  12. 8ball

    8ball WA Quit talkin' and start chalking!

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    The WAGR gun grabbers are already crowing about this one as a win - they emailed me twice already.

    How the @@@@ did nobody hear about this? It sucks that nobody spoke against it.

    Unfortunately they can probably use the Sequim case to slip past preemption in the RCW.
     
  13. deadshot2

    deadshot2 NW Quadrant WA State Well-Known Member

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    Being a realist doesn't mean they have a defeatest attitude. The "realist" will look at the poll data that has shown as much as 85% of the electorate in favor of background checks.

    Yes, come November one of us will have been right and the other not so much.
     
  14. mjbskwim

    mjbskwim Salmon,Idaho Well-Known Member

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    Man we got bubblegumed in that case.
    Maybe would have been better to not go to court.
    Before reading the case I was wondering if they could make stipulations on the permitting like those in the sequim case.
    It wouldn't bother me if Wes found a venue outside of Tacoma.It is my least favorite place to be
     
  15. BigStick

    BigStick Sherwood, OR Well-Known Member

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    I'm not so much worried about being right as I am giving up before the fight is over. I have not seen the polls you mention, but even if they are accurate, it doesn't mean we can't still win by November.