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New ATF 4473!!!

Discussion in 'General Firearm Discussion' started by Page.k, Jun 30, 2012.

  1. Page.k

    Page.k Seattle Active Member

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  2. Skang

    Skang WA Well-Known Member

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    I heard when they are starting use new form, permanent residents do not require to bring/show 90 days of (bills) proof anymore.
     
  3. Bunny

    Bunny Portland, OR Well-Known Member

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    I've seen that new are you hispanic or not question when switching doctors. It's really bizarre the way it's separated into a separate and redundant question from the rest of the race/ethnicity questions. Makes you wonder why that race gets special distinction and are being singled-out. raised-eyebrow.png
     
  4. Page.k

    Page.k Seattle Active Member

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    Page.k Seattle Active Member

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    deen_ad Vancouver, WA Well-Known Member

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    Notice question 19 too!
    If sale at a gun show or other qualifying event.

    Probably going to be a new "rule" from BATF requiring all sales at gun shows (any showing where three or more people are present) go through NICS.

    The requirement on multiple long gun sales that was upheld was just to test the waters and see if they could require more without a law being passed.
     
  7. Page.k

    Page.k Seattle Active Member

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    It's what they do best push and pull when they can gain something for cheap or free.
     
  8. hermannr

    hermannr Okanogan Highlands Well-Known Member

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    I smell a civil rights law suit...question 10 is actually illegal to ask.
     
  9. Page.k

    Page.k Seattle Active Member

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    O' take a good look at the bottom left side of the page then the right. ;)
    So how many people filled out the old one from Apr to now?
    So FFL's have yet to see or know of the new 4473 and the system is still setup on the old 4473 that by this one is no longer any good.
     
  10. Studio BK

    Studio BK Tualatin, OR Active Member

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    Wow that sounds very specifically racist. If I were Hispanic I'd be pissed.
     
  11. stmcelroy

    stmcelroy Madras, OR Well-Known Member

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    When it was revised and when it is implemented are not the same.
     
  12. Page.k

    Page.k Seattle Active Member

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    "Note: Previous Editions Are Obsolete" Some FFL's have the new 4473 others have yet to see them at all.
     
  13. stmcelroy

    stmcelroy Madras, OR Well-Known Member

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    Which means when you get the new ones then you should use them, not the old ones.

    I guess I don't really see why you are making such a big deal about it? It's the government nothing makes sense, why try to put logic to it?
     
  14. PinkhamR

    PinkhamR Altus, Oklahoma MSgt, USAF (Retired)-FFL Lifetime Supporter

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    No, can't use them until July 9, 2012
     
  15. PinkhamR

    PinkhamR Altus, Oklahoma MSgt, USAF (Retired)-FFL Lifetime Supporter

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    Not sure if this will work ...... testing it anyway ......

     
  16. Page.k

    Page.k Seattle Active Member

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    Okay... I'm Pissed! Now I have to learn a NEW 4473, the old one was all completed fast by memory. :rolleyes:
     
  17. PinkhamR

    PinkhamR Altus, Oklahoma MSgt, USAF (Retired)-FFL Lifetime Supporter

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    The Spanish Language Version has the same questions ........ :laugh:
     
  18. Abiqua

    Abiqua Oregon Active Member

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    The wording of question #22 didn't get changed and is going to continue to cause issues. As an individual it is correct but if picking up a an NFA item transferred to a trust or other legal entity where a background check hasn't been done at the ATF then a NICs check needs to be done on the person picking up the item.
     
  19. FourTeeFive

    FourTeeFive PNW Washington State Active Member

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    Hispanic is ethnicity, not a race. They probably wanted to clarify that, but my question is why does race or ethnicity have anything to do with buying a gun?
     
  20. Page.k

    Page.k Seattle Active Member

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    No a NICS check is not required for the sale of firearms registered under the National Firearms Act (NFA) assuming all NFA requirements have been satisfied. And the dealer can't transfer the NFA registered thing until the paper is complete.
    ATF Online - Firearms - Frequently Asked Questions - Brady Law
    NFA item transferred to a trust or other legal entity needs to have a member pick it up or someone with the power to "ACT" for them. Some form of legal document is needed to show connection to the trust or other legal entity.
    Non-NFA
    When the buyer of a firearm is a corporation, association, or other organization, an officer or other representative authorized to act on behalf of the organization must complete the form with his or her personal information and attach a written statement, executed under penalties of perjury, stating that the firearm is being acquired for the use of the organization and the name and address of the organization.
    I hope this helps Abiqua.
     
    Last edited: Jul 1, 2012