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New 28th Amendment?

Discussion in 'Legal & Political Archive' started by 41mag, Nov 22, 2009.

  1. 41mag

    41mag sunny Orygun Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    Amendment 28

    Congress shall make no law that applies to the citizens of the United
    States that does not apply equally to the Senators or Representatives,
    and Congress shall make no law that applies to the Senators or
    Representatives that does not apply equally to the citizens of the
    United States.



    Let's get this passed around, folks - these people have brought this upon themselves!
     
  2. ZachS

    ZachS Eugene/PDX Active Member

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  3. 41mag

    41mag sunny Orygun Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    Why should members of congress benefit from such as premium level health care insurance and other scandalously high benefits they harvest from the public trough, just because they are part of what they come view as being 'the elected royalty'....rather than 'public servants'?
     
  4. el gringo loco

    el gringo loco PDX Member

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    Way easier solution:

    Instead of complaining about what others have and you don't have, do something about it. Join a union and support a pro-labor political agenda. In a few years you'll have good benefits and better wages because you fought for it.

    On the other hand, amending the Constitution is so much easier...
     
  5. 41mag

    41mag sunny Orygun Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    I first joined a union in 1966.

    To compare the benefits the "congressional unionists" have is missing a very large point.

    That the "congressional unionists" have the power to vote themselves benefits we of the "loyal members of the American union" can not access regardless of our political activities is something you might explain for those of us on the short bus.
     
  6. Just Jim

    Just Jim Well-Known Member

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    How are you going to get the criminals in government to make laws against them being criminals. You would have to shut down everything and start over.

    jj
     
  7. 41mag

    41mag sunny Orygun Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    re: "How are you going to get the criminals in government to make laws against them being criminals. You would have to shut down everything and start over."


    You do raise a question that beg for a rational answer....
     
  8. Doubletap

    Doubletap Newberg Well-Known Member

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    Jim.. You just hit on the best idea....
     
  9. ZachS

    ZachS Eugene/PDX Active Member

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    Members of congress have the same health insurance options as all other federal employees: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,308378,00.html

    And as a former federal employee, I can tell you that these options are not "premium level."



    They do get a great deal in the way of travel benefits and, for long-term members, retirement packages. But the biggest benefit they get is access to extraordinarily lucrative jobs with lobbying firms and government contractors after they leave congress.
     
  10. 41mag

    41mag sunny Orygun Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    Per http://www.factcheck.org/2009/08/health-care-for-members-of-congress/

    "In addition, members of Congress also qualify for some medical benefits that ordinary federal workers do not. They (but not their families) are eligible to receive limited medical services from the Office of the Attending Physician of the U.S. Capitol, after payment of an annual fee ($491in 2007). But services don’t include surgery, dental care or eyeglasses, and any prescriptions must be filled at the member’s expense.

    House and Senate members (but not their families) also are eligible to receive care at military hospitals. For outpatient care, there is no charge at the Washington, D.C., area hospitals (Walter Reed Army Medical Center and National Naval Medical Center). Inpatient care is billed at rates set by the Department of Defense."

    Per http://www.c-span.org/questions/weekly68.htm:
    Members who have participated in the congressional pension system are vested after 5 years of service. A full pension is available to Members 62 years of age with 5 years of service; 50 years or older with 20 years of service; or 25 years of service at any age.

    and
    "The average annuity for retired Members, as of 1998, was either $50,616 [for those that retired under CSRS] or $46,908 [for Members that retired under FERS]. However, these averages don't take into account any additional funds these Members may have also accrued through investments in the Thrift Savings Plan described above"

    And http://www.senate.gov/CRSReports/crs-publish.cfm?pid=%270E,*PLC8"@

    Must be a great union...pretty good benefit for 5 years on-the-job....
     
  11. PeakResources

    PeakResources Portland (past) Colorado (now) Member

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    Just Jim, it certainly would be nice to start over.

    I propose we go back to the Constitution with the common law. We have had over 200 years of lawmakers "improving" things by adding more laws (aka redistribution of our rights to others). Further, we have had 200 years of the Supreme Court allowing our rights granted in the Constitution, as well as more fundamental "Natural Rights", to be taken. Sometimes, it appears as if the USSCt has gone along willingly, sometimes they've been coerced to a degree. But in the end, our rights have been eroded.

    I long for the Constitution, individual rights, and independent "can do" mentality of 200 years ago. I pray that my children will see such a day, and I pray that we'll get there peacefully and without great pain.
     
  12. SonicBlue03

    SonicBlue03 Snohomish Well-Known Member

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    Five years vesting if they're age 62 or older. I don't see anything in there that's really outrageous. My medical benefits for myself and my wife are arguably better than what Congress gets, and it only costs me a small co-pay. As mentioned earlier where they benefit are the career opportunities they have available when they leave public service. But they put in their efforts to get there, and more power to 'em if they want to live like that.