"New" 25 Million Funding Announcement From Everytown Should Be Gun Free Organization

[bbbass]

the need to invest in proven interventions

I'm wondering what "proven" interventions Everytown can cite? IIRC, no gun control measure enacted or proposed has ever stopped a gun crime.

Best intervention this YAHOO's could come up with would be to stand between the one gang banger and the other gang banger.

They tried that recently (I can't find the story) by putting a former gang member on an intervention team, and the guy got shot. Maybe they should have used a mental health worker. But I like your idea of letting Everytown do the stand-in!! Then they'd see how well their BS works in real time.

 

[American123]

Do the wacky stories help any of us keep our guns, or just make us utterly dismissable to those who lack such esoteric knowledge of the sky kingdom and the surface minions?

In my conversations with those who possess an ideology that people shouldn't own guns, (or worse) those want only the government to have guns. It's irrelevant what you say to them, they advocate and pursue that goal regardless of how sane and reasonable, or insane and unreasonable of information they hear.

 

[monkeybutler]

In my conversations with those who possess an ideology that people shouldn't own guns, (or worse) those want only the government to have guns. It's irrelevant what you say to them, they advocate and pursue that goal regardless of how sane and reasonable, or insane and unreasonable of information they hear.

Not everybody grew up around guns. I didn't fire one until I was 25. A lot of people in suburbia are genuinely afraid of guns due to an utter lack of experience with them. Doesn't mean they are idiots. I have converted several of them. Gun control to them is certainly not about some weird plot to disarm folks to pave way for utter domination by blue helmets, et al. They are just unfamiliar and afraid.

The people you are talking about... I know they exist, but I have never met them, and they certainly are not a majority. Closest I have come was a conversation with a co-worker where he said the NRA should be forced to be quiet, at which point I reminded him about freedom of speech.

 

[CRBMoA]

Gun Control is a misnomer.

Let's start there.

 

[monkeybutler]

Gun Control is a misnomer.

Let's start there.

What does it really mean?

 

[Andy54Hawken]

"Gun Control"...
As in what does it mean.

Very likely it means different things for different people.

For me it means :
Someone else making decisions for me, about what and how I can own firearm wise.
It also means yet another law , ban , restriction or the like made to solve a issue.

Both of which I find asinine .
I say this because I find it offensive to say the least , to be told by someone else , how I am to exercise a Right.
I also do not see any logic / use in tossing out yet another firearm law , ban , restriction or the like ...
Since we have countless other firearm laws , bans , restrictions etc...If they worked at solving an issue , we wouldn't need any more to be made.
Andy

 

[Ura-Ki]

"Gun Control"...
As in what does it mean.

Very likely it means different things for different people.

For me it means :
Someone else making decisions for me, about what and how I can own firearm wise.
It also means yet another law , ban , restriction or the like made to solve a issue.

Both of which I find asinine .
I say this because I find it offensive to say the least , to be told by someone else , how I am to exercise a Right.
I also do not see any logic / use in tossing out yet another firearm law , ban , restriction or the like ...
Since we have countless other firearm laws , bans , restrictions etc...If they worked at solving an issue , we wouldn't need any more to be made.
Andy

As always Andy, NAILED IT!


There are 4 very important words contained within the second amendment, "SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED" and yet, day and after day, some scheming public operative, politician, or even Church leader pushes for restriction of a God Given Right!
Where did things go so wrong, and why do these people continue to ignore the 4 words "Shall Not Be Infringed." The Word SHALL in legal terms means MUST, not maybe. Nor does any part of that say "Unless we say otherwise" and yet here we are, yet more useless laws that do nothing except to burden the law abiding with un necessary laws, rules, legislation, and feel goods that don't actually do any of they were promised to do! No other amendment contains those 4 explicit words of warning TO our Government and its leaders, elected or appointed, Why is it that the 2nd is the only one so explicit in it's absolutes?

And yet, here we are, continuing to be infringed upon, and ALL with out ever proposing an actual amendment to the 2nd, which is the ONLY legal means of carrying out lawful changes to our Bill of Rights!
The MSM and our Leaders are always using the terms "Gun Violence" "Assault Weapons" "Common Sense Gun Control" and "Restrictions" to limit or flat out remove rights, they have empowered themselves to decide what, where, when, or IF we can own and use something they have absolutely NO RIGHT to impose or infringe upon, and yet, they continue to get away with it, and continue to push and push and push!
Here in OryGun, it seems every year we get yet another push for restrictions, and this is VERY troubling, I want to see some changes made to how and why this is even possible, and then change it so it cannot continue! What I propose is this: Once a piece of legislation is proposed and makes ( Past the courts as well) it to the ballot, if it's voted down by We the People, there is an automatic 20 year moratorium placed upon this piece of legislation and it cannot be brought before the voters until that time is up! If after the second attempt the voters vote it down, it is now a permanently banned subject that can never go before the public again! Any attempt to put a similar ballot before the people is also forbiddin, you get one shot to get it right and get it passed, or that's it for the next 20 years!

We need other "Term Limits" to impose upon our elected or appointed leaders, in that they cannot propose more then one specific point for electoral consideration, none of this multi function legislation to burden us with such as the two I.P.s we face this term, and we also need to prevent these people from putting multiple pieces of similar legislation in front of the voters within the same cycle. We need to hold our leaders to task or hold their feet to the fire here and put a stop to all this nonsense, it's very much like this states incessant push for a phooking Sales Tax, the voters have said NO countless times, and so the states politicos finally gave up and just raised taxes and added fees, permits, and other hidden costs to cover their financial misspending!

 

[CRBMoA]

What does it really mean?

My two friends above said it much more eloquently than I would have.

I would simply say that firearms are inanimate objects. Laws are for people, not objects. Call the infringements what they are and then we can have a discussion.

 

[American123]

My two friends above said it much more eloquently than I would have.

I would simply say that firearms are inanimate objects. Laws are for people, not objects. Call the infringements what they are and then we can have a discussion.

Retarded would be a worthy synonym. Because it is retarded for people to think that passing more laws will stop criminals who are already breaking every law that has been passed.

 

[monkeybutler]

My two friends above said it much more eloquently than I would have.

I would simply say that firearms are inanimate objects. Laws are for people, not objects. Call the infringements what they are and then we can have a discussion.

I agree with the first of those posts. The second I could not quite follow. If I drank more, or maybe less, I might.

So how do you convince the Bellevue housewives?

 

[JohnnyMac]

I'm wondering what "proven" interventions Everytown can cite?

I'm guessing that Everytown's idea of a proven intervention is nothing short of banning all firearms whether legal or not. My thoughts....in addition to the training I spoke of in the earlier post, would be something along the lines that an even more "proven" intervention, would be holding the individual responsible for his/her actions rather than hold an entire group of people (99%+ of which are law abiding citizens) responsible for said individual's actions. If a person uses a firearm to commit a crime, then hold that person responsible and don't let him/her out of jail the next day or that person will just do it again because there is no downside to it.

 

[bbbass]

If a person uses a firearm to commit a crime, then hold that person responsible and don't let him/her out of jail the next day or that person will just do it again because there is no downside to it.

Back in the "glory days" of the NRA, this is EXACTLY the program they pushed (as a working alternative to stupid/useless gun control).... new laws that increased penalties for crimes committed while carrying or using a firearm. It worked fabulously, as did the Brandon crime bill, until the soft lunatics started listening to the systemic racism propaganda/lies and we got all those Soros DAs.

 

[bbbass]

What does it really mean?

Ask a gun control advocate!!

 

[bbbass]

A lot of people in suburbia are genuinely afraid of guns due to an utter lack of experience with them. Doesn't mean they are idiots.

Fear is a mind killer. One is often afraid of what one is ignorant of... and that is IMO "not effective" thinking. IMO whenever one is afraid of something, an undertaking or an inanimate object, one is best off seeking to engage in said activity with a mentor, or seek knowledge and understanding of said objects.

I know that some reasonable people are afraid of doing things they haven't done before, like handling/firing a firearm, but I also personally know people that are frightened by just the sight of a firearm, a tool/object laying about.... that is not a reasonable response, to put it kindly. But it's THEIR PROBLEM as long as they don't make it mine.

 

[monkeybutler]

But it's THEIR PROBLEM as long as they don't make it mine.

well unfortunately they have now made it all of our problem.

 

[bbbass]

Where did things go so wrong, and why do these people continue to ignore the 4 words "Shall Not Be Infringed."

You can blame Congress, SCOTUS, and the media. in the distant past. Once the dam started leaking, it was inevitable that it would continue to erode. We've managed to get a finger in the dyke here and there, but the wrong minded and empty headed efforts to undermine a natural right enshrined in the BOR continue apace.

 

[bbbass]

well unfortunately they have now made it all of our problem.

Have been so for a long time.

Is the great uptick in gun sales encouraging, or a false reading???

 

[monkeybutler]

Presumably like every other recent uptick people wanna buy 'em before they can't. Not sure what the broader meaning is.

 

[CRBMoA]

I have a question!

What "Gun Control" measures are we currently lacking that would improve our situation if they were to be enacted?

 

[RobMa]

In my conversations with those who possess an ideology that people shouldn't own guns, (or worse) those want only the government to have guns. It's irrelevant what you say to them, they advocate and pursue that goal regardless of how sane and reasonable, or insane and unreasonable of information they hear.

They are exactly the same people that will advocate for socialism, and ignorantly help usher in totalitarianism but then scream to high heaven when that very thing that they supported comes crashing down upon them with a thick booted heal to their necks...

"But... but.... you are only supposed to crush the others; not us.... we don't understand... ??"











I think I made my point..