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I have one , I like it because it can be fixed with the guts of a ball point pen, sit in a solvent tank for a month without damage and can digest ammo in almost any condition....in fact most Glocks almost chamber the next caliber up lol
the 45/10mm slides make hella nice pistol whipping platform , you get the nice bat speed of the poly frame and those big cal slides are like a little piece of railroad rail
I have seen all kinds of cut out Glocks, people are doing literally everything too themMaybe they could cut the top off the slide like a Beretta to lighten it up a little.
Lowest common denominator thinking got you the Beretta M9. . . .
Don't let the fact that the Beretta 92F was the only pistol that passed all of the XM9 trial phases, (just to bid, SIG needed a waiver on both sections of the dried mud test that multiple examples of the P226 failed), get in the way of an epic rant.
I wonder if the Military will make they same mistake they made with the M16, they issued them with the instructions that they didn't need to be cleaned. Trust me, I don't think this will go well, just a gut feeling. Military minds in charge may actually think they will need to provide less training. Sort of like giving a hand grenade to a chimp, you just know it's going to end badly.
AND! I bet that if one of the elite force shoots himself in the leg,I'm guessing he won't be part of that team any more.For guys who spend lots of time in and around water, esp. salt water, and who need a reliable pistol - this makes perfect sense. I really love Sig pistols from egronomic standpoints and looks - but that doesn't mean crap when your life depends on it. Sig pistols simply don't have the same corrosion resistance Glocks are renowned for. They're also bulkier, heavier, and more expensive.
We should praise this move as a savings to the tax payers. They aren't paying $500 a pistol like we do - they're probabaly getting these guns for $350-400 a pop vs $700 or whatever the going contract rate was for Sigs. Parts are way more plentiful, and cheaper. Breakages except for cracked frames can be fixed in field. There are what, 33 parts to a Glock pistol, including the frame, slide, and two separate pieces for sights? That brings the guts down to what, 29 parts? You can take one apart with a multitool and a rock and when you put it back together it won't be worse for wear. This makes sense for guys who may find themselves a long way from home (or resupply) - each guy can carry a complete parts kit in his ruck if he wanted and it would take up next to no room or weight.
Holsters are plentiful. Accessories are plentiful. Lots of COTS options for guys who need a big variety of gear to do their jobs. That's a big plus.
And the special warfare guys aren't "lowest common denominator" types - they are the ones who get the most trigger time, and who get to choose what they carry into battle. The grip on a Glock 19 is smaller and fits more hands than the grip on a P226. Shorter lighter trigger is easier to shoot well with.
Lowest common denominator thinking got you the Beretta M9 and a policy of cold chambers everywhere except while "outside the wire" - it's a wonder those Berettas weren't mandated to be double action only WITH a safety, loaded chamber indicator, warnings that bullets can hurt, and a "THIS END TOWARD ENEMY" stamp atop the barrel with a bright orange arrow pointing to the muzzle. It surely wouldn't get you a gun that demands more heightened muzzle awareness and trigger discipline.
If the spec ops boys want Glocks, let 'em have Glocks. If they wanted HK's - let 'em have it. Best tools for the job should be the concern, and the guys doing the job are usually better equipped to make that determination than some jackwagon in DC pushing paper for a living or waving around his pen and phone. Be glad they're getting real guns and not pink fairy wands with white flags on the end.
NSW is not a pioneer in this. They are satisfied by the experience of other top units with the Glock 19. Add to it that the price point is lower than the Sig, the Sig pistols were not doing well in saltwater (no pistol really does), the contract with Sig was up, the Glock 19 is the ideal size for a carry pistol and replaces two models of Sig pistols, and the switch made a lot of sense for NSW.
The M9 isn't a bad gun - but the criteria for it's selection, the criteria that lead to the Beretta, is lowest common denominator thinking. A big pistol with a long, heavy double action trigger with a manual safety because god forbid trigger discipline and muzzle awareness get pounded into Joe Snuffy's head from the get go and given a weapon that is point & click easy to use. In the mind of a bureaucrat, it's easier and cheaper to have long heavy trigger pulls and manual safety switched plus policy against loaded chambers. I mean we wouldn't want anyone getting hurt, or being responsible not to hurt themselves or others, right? It's not like you can teach someone not to put their nose picking butt scratching wand on the thing that makes the gun go boom until it's time to do so - nope, easier to say no chambered rounds and lots of safety "features". The Sig P226 is almost as bad - the heavy DA trigger is still there, but the personnel fielding it would have to remember to decock it before holstering, lest they inadvertently shoot themselves. That would probably require extra training, and recruits that can rub two neurons together to get it. Bureaucrats don't trust their underlings to be intelligent enough not to hurt themselves. They - that being the soldiers, airmen, marines, sailors, and anyone else toting a gun for a living - don't get enough credit most of the time. They might not all be the sharpest sticks in the box but I bet that a huge majority of camo suit wearing men and women could use a Glock or similar pistol and be juuuuust fine and not go around putting extra holes in themselves or those around them unless aid people NEED extra holes. How many cops carry Glocks or M&P's or XD's around every day, with chambers loaded, and don't shoot themselves or someone else accidentally or negligently? Pretty sure that percentage would be close among our servicemen and women.