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My Dad's Generation

Discussion in 'Off Topic' started by GOG, Jan 1, 2014.

  1. GOG

    GOG State of Jefferson Well-Known Member

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    My Dad's Generation

    "During the 3-1/2 years of World War 2 that started with the Japanese bombing of Pearl Harbor in December 1941 and ended with the Surrender of Germany and Japan in 1945, the U. S. produced; 22 aircraft carriers, 8 battleships, 48 cruisers, 349 destroyers, 420 destroyer escorts, 203 submarines, 34 million tons of merchant ships, 100,000 fighter aircraft, 98,000 bombers, 24,000 transport aircraft, 58,000 training aircraft, 93,000 tanks, 257,000 artillery pieces, 105,000 mortars, 3,000,000 machine guns, and 2,500,000 military trucks.

    We put 16.1 million men in uniform in the various armed services, invaded Africa, invaded Sicily and Italy, won the battle for the Atlantic, planned and executed D-Day, marched across the Pacific and Europe, developed the atomic bomb and ultimately conquered Japan and Germany.

    It's worth noting, that during the almost exact amount of time, the Obama administration couldn't build a functioning web site."

    ...From an email from a friend.
     
  2. orygun

    orygun West Linn Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    HA! That's funny. Too bad it's true...
     
  3. Jamie6.5

    Jamie6.5 Western OR Well-Known Member

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    It IS worth noting!

    Good stuff GOG.
     
  4. Stomper

    Stomper Oceania Rising White Is The New Brown Silver Supporter

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    ObamaCare failures are by design in order to herd EVERYONE into a government run "single-payer" system.
     
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  5. MikeE

    MikeE Portland Well-Known Member

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    It's also worth noting that during those 31/2 years of WW2, the US manufacturing economy was effectively nationalized. The US Government told industry what it could produce, what the profit margin would be. And there was intense scrutiny of profiteering.
    Obama, on the other hand, tried to design a health care system without inconveniencing the private, health care industry and their obscene rate of profit throughout the system (most expensive in the world, with outcomes on the lower end of the industrialized world). So that's what you get.
     
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  6. GOG

    GOG State of Jefferson Well-Known Member

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    There's always one....
     
  7. Chee-to

    Chee-to Oregon Well-Known Member

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    Ya but, he and his administration did manage this, and more...........:wow:


    1. IRS targets Obama’s enemies: The IRS targeted conservative and pro-Israel groups prior to the 2012 election. Questions are being raised about why this occurred, who ordered it, whether there was any White House involvement and whether there was an initial effort to hide who knew about the targeting and when.

    2. Benghazi: This is actually three scandals in one:

    The failure of administration to protect the Benghazi mission.
    The changes made to the talking points in order to suggest the attack was motivated by an anti-Muslim video
    The refusal of the White House to say what President Obama did the night of the attack

    3. Watching the AP: The Justice Department performed a massive cull of Associated Press reporters’ phone records as part of a leak investigation.

    4. Rosengate: The Justice Department suggested that Fox News reporter James Rosen is a criminal for reporting about classified information and subsequently monitored his phones and emails.

    5. Potential Holder perjury I: Attorney General Eric Holder told Congress he had never been associated with “potential prosecution” of a journalist for perjury when in fact he signed the affidavit that termed Rosen a potential criminal.

    6. The ATF “Fast and Furious” scheme: Allowed weapons from the U.S. to “walk” across the border into the hands of Mexican drug dealers. The ATF lost track of hundreds of firearms, many of which were used in crimes, including the December 2010 killing of Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry.

    7. Potential Holder Perjury II: Holder told Congress in May 2011 that he had just recently heard about the Fast and Furious gun walking scheme when there is evidence he may have known much earlier.

    8. Sebelius demands payment: HHS Secretary Kathleen Sebelius solicited donations from companies HHS might regulate. The money would be used to help her sign up uninsured Americans for ObamaCare.

    9. The Pigford scandal: An Agriculture Department effort that started as an attempt to compensate black farmers who had been discriminated against by the agency but evolved into a gravy train delivering several billion dollars in cash to thousands of additional minority and female farmers who probably didn’t face discrimination.

    10. GSA gone wild: The General Services Administration in 2010 held an $823,000 training conference in Las Vegas, featuring a clown and a mind readers. Resulted in the resignation of the GSA administrator.

    11. Veterans Affairs in Disney World: The agency wasted more than $6 million on two conferences in Orlando. An assistant secretary was fired.

    12. Sebelius violates the Hatch Act: A U.S. special counsel determined that Sebelius violated the Hatch Act when she made “extemporaneous partisan remarks” during a speech in her official capacity last year. During the remarks, Sebelius called for the election of the Democratic candidate for governor of North Carolina.

    13. Solyndra: Republicans charged the Obama administration funded and promoted its poster boy for green energy despite warning signs the company was headed for bankruptcy. The administration also allegedly pressed Solyndra to delay layoff announcements until after the 2010 midterm elections.

    14. AKA Lisa Jackson: Former EPA Administrator Lisa Jackson used the name “Richard Windsor” when corresponding by email with other government officials, drawing charges she was trying to evade scrutiny.

    15. The New Black Panthers: The Justice Department was accused of using a racial double standard in failing to pursue a voter intimidation case against Black Panthers who appeared to be menacing voters at a polling place in 2008 in Philadelphia.

    16. Waging war all by myself: Obama may have violated the Constitution and both the letter and the spirit of the War Powers Resolution by attacking Libya without Congressional approval.

    17. Biden bullies the press: Vice President Biden’s office has repeatedly interfered with coverage, including forcing a reporter to wait in a closet, making a reporter delete photos, and editing pool reports.

    18. AKPD not A-OK: The administration paid millions to the former firm of then-White House adviser David Axelrod, AKPD Message and Media, to promote passage of Obamacare. Some questioned whether the firm was hired to help pay Axelrod $2 million AKPD owed him.

    19. Sestak, we’ll take care of you: Former White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel used Bill Clinton as an intermediary to probe whether former Rep. Joe Sestak (D-Pa.) would accept a prominent, unpaid White House advisory position in exchange for dropping out of the 2010 primary against former Sen. Arlen Specter (D-Pa.).

    20. I’ll pass my own laws: Obama has repeatedly been accused of making end runs around Congress by deciding which laws to enforce, including the decision not to deport illegal immigrants who may have been allowed to stay in the United States had Congress passed the “Dream Act.”

    21. The hacking of Sharyl Attkisson’s computer: It’s not clear who hacked the CBS reporter’s computer as she investigated the Benghazi scandal, but the Obama administration and its allies had both the motive and the means to do it.

    22. An American Political Prisoner: The sudden decision to arrest Nakoula Basseley Nakoula on unrelated charges after protests in the Arab world over his anti-Muslim video is an extraordinarily suspicious coincidence. “We’re going to go out and we’re going to prosecute the person that made that video,” Hillary Clinton allegedly told the father of one of the ex-SEALs killed in Banghazi.

    23. Get rid of inconvenient IGs: Corporation for National and Community Service Inspector General Gerald Walpin was fired in 2009 as he fought wasteful spending and investigated a friend of Obama’s, Sacramento Mayor and former NBA player Kevin Johnson. The White House says Walpin was incompetent.

    24. Influence peddling: An investigation is underway of Alejandro Mayorkas, director of the U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services, who has been nominated by Obama for the number two post at the Department of Homeland Security. Mayorkas may have used his position to unfairly obtain U.S. visas for foreign investors in company run by Hillary Clinton’s brother, Anthony Rodman.
     
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  8. Jamie6.5

    Jamie6.5 Western OR Well-Known Member

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    Wow, another obamabot that thinks obamacare is about health care.
    It's NOT, it NEVER was, and NEVER WILL BE.

    It's about INSURANCE, and paying back the biggest corporate lobby in the country by FORCING people to become their customers.

    It's only the most expensive in the world because of the way the InsCos have influenced the industry and the fees.

    Currently, the insurance companies are influencing pricing through their influence on doctors and hospitals and labs and imaging centers, by insisting on defensive medicine, and keeping malpractice insurance at all time highs.

    Obamacare does NOTHING to reduce healthcare costs.

    If obama and pelosi and reid truly wanted to reduce costs, they would have passed legislation that forbid any company that sells healthcare insurance, from selling malpractice insurance.
    That would have eliminated the price fixing and anti-trust violations that permeate the system.

    Instead, they turned the keys to the kingdom over to the insurance companies.
    The very people that have been driving up health care costs for the last two decades.

    Good luck with that fantasy world mediamatters has constructed for you.
     
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  9. GOG

    GOG State of Jefferson Well-Known Member

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    "....... 2. Benghazi: This is actually three scandals in one:

    The failure of administration to protect the Benghazi mission.
    The changes made to the talking points in order to suggest the attack was motivated by an anti-Muslim video
    The refusal of the White House to say what President Obama did the night of the attack"

    Not to mention the possibility of CIA gunrunning.
     
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  10. The Heretic

    The Heretic Oregon Well-Known Member

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    Not to defend Obama or Obamacare, but a few observations to be fair:

    1) In WWII it would have been impossible to build a website because there was no internet. So they couldn't have done it if they tried.

    2) They built the website, it just could not handle the load.

    3) I am a software engineer by profession. I do this kind of thing for a living and get paid a six figure salary to do it.

    This kind of failure in a software project is pretty typical.

    The fact that it is a huge government project just makes it all the more prone to failure. Take a look at some of the IRS, DoD and DoJ software projects that have failed after billions have been spent. The larger the project the more likely it will fail. The more different organizations are involved, the more likely it will fail.

    4) The real WTFs to me, as someone who does this for a living:

    a) That they hooked into the credit reporting data repository to verify a persons identity. This data is notoriously out of data and flawed. That they query it directly is bad too - many of the problems they are having are due to time outs and incorrect data or data returned in a format that they don't understand. I haven't been keeping up on it, but I anticipate this will be an ongoing source of headaches - especially for people like me who up until last year had my credit data be at least 7 to 10 years stale (they only update your employer/address/etc. when you apply for new credit and I hadn't in years).

    b) That they tried to do a project this large in such a short amount of time. This is the failure that can be laid at the feet of Obama, the rest is typical.

    c) That they let so many different orgs get their fingers in the pie - actually this isn't surprising, but they could have done it with far fewer orgs and interconnected systems, and it would have worked a lot better.
     
  11. Jamie6.5

    Jamie6.5 Western OR Well-Known Member

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    FIFY GOG.
     
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  12. MikeE

    MikeE Portland Well-Known Member

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    Was I unclear? Your arguments are mine too. I am in agreement with you. So don't have a cow, man.
     
  13. BroncoFan

    BroncoFan Eastern Oregon Well-Known Member

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    It's also worth noting that nationalization as you call it was only was made possible because American citizens saw a cause greater than themselves and submitted to curtailed civil liberties and rationing of everything from sugar to tires and grew their own gardens. TO WIN A WAR. A generation of patriots, both in and out of uniform and more "givers" than "takers" with little sense of "entitlement." Individual accountability for themselves and family won the day. The only gardens that O voters would know anything about wouldn't feed anyone but might cause the munchies, so thank heavens they have their O debit card.

    FDR's little failed social experiment was bailed out by WWII.
    Protecting the world from tyranny is one thing, a thinly veiled power grab and wealth redistribution scheme is quite another.
     
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  14. MikeE

    MikeE Portland Well-Known Member

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    Wasn't FDR elected four times by the Greatest Generation and their parents?
     
  15. Jamie6.5

    Jamie6.5 Western OR Well-Known Member

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    Apparently you were/are.
    The obscene profits aren't the work of the health care workers, they are the domain of the InsCos.

    Actuaries are nothing more than gamblers that are able to influence the outcome of the games they bet on. They are the house, in the world's biggest crooked Las Vegas, fixing the game(s).

    You made the claim that obama "on the other hand, tried to design a health care system without inconveniencing the private, health care industry and their obscene rate of profit throughout the system" <snip>, when he didn't do ANY SUCH THING.

    His signature legislation has little or nothing to do with health care and/or patients.
    All it does is arrange for insurance companies to disburse the money passing through the system, while collecting a cut of it.
    And seeing that the taxpayer pays the insurance premiums and the deductibles when the patient can't.

    The only profit structure that is influenced through the application of this tyrannical law is that of the insurance companies. The doctors get screwed, and the margins for the InsCos goes up. Way up.

    Both my GP and one of the specialists I know are quitting their practices because, in their words:
    "I refuse to become an assembly line worker for an insurance company."

    Your rant about the "obscene profits" by the health care industry is way off base Mike.
     
  16. U201491

    U201491 Well-Known Member

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    Sure doesnt take much to bring commies and marxists out of the woodwork :D
     
  17. MikeE

    MikeE Portland Well-Known Member

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    You were more precise than I was. I agree with your point.
     
  18. BroncoFan

    BroncoFan Eastern Oregon Well-Known Member

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    And directly resulted in the 22nd amendment, thank goodness. I see that as more a country rallying behind its leader in a time of trial than faith in FDR's failed policies. I think history shows FDR was bent on as close to a monarchy as this country has ever seen.
    Further your comment brings to stark relief the monumental difference between then and now. I highly doubt that voters in the 30s and 40s voted expecting entitlement, today's voters have nothing in common with that generation.

    Then - rally, win the war, get back to work. Now - gimme, gimme, gimme.