Mossberg 590 Shockwave and Rem Tac 14 purchases are now being blocked in Oregon! (Updated)

[MilitantBEEMER]

I just updated my original post and put a screen shot of what's on the NICS login page.
I received a phone call and an email about it.
If you do happen to buy one and it slips thru the background check you will be getting a phone call from them.

What will the purpose of the phone call form them to someone that purchased one? Just curious. Thank you

 

[Quartermaster]

So, here's how I see it:
Oregon law (ORS 166.210(12)) says that a
"Short-barreled shotgun" means a shotgun having one or more barrels less than 18 inches in length and any weapon made from a shotgun if the weapon has an overall length of less than 26 inches. [Amended by 1977 c.769 §1; 1979 c.779 §3; 1989 c.839 §1; 1993 c.735 §14; 1995 c.670 §3; 1999 c.1040 §2; 2001 c.666 §§32,44; 2003 c.614 §7; 2007 c.368 §1; 2009 c.610 §4]"

However, no where in the definitions previously does it say what a shotgun is. They would have to fall back on the federal law, which defines a shotgun as:
"26 U.S.C. Chapter 53 § 5845(d) — The term "Shotgun" means a weapon designed or redesigned, made or remade, and intended to be fired from the shoulder, and designed or redesigned and made or remade to use the energy of the explosive in a fixed shotgun shell to fire through a smooth bore either a number of ball shot or a single projectile for each single pull of the trigger."

Since neither the shockwave, nor the tac-14 have ever been designed to be fired from the shoulder, they are NOT shotguns. Period. Dot.

If you think my argument is invalid, then explain how AR pistols aren't considered SBRs in Oregon given their definition in ORS 166.210(11)

"Short-barreled rifle" means a rifle having one or more barrels less than 16 inches in length and any weapon made from a rifle if the weapon has an overall length of less than 26 inches."

No mention in Oregon law as to what a "rifle" is either. Here's the brass tacks from the ATF themselves on the matter:

"Pistol Grips and Shotguns
Firearms with pistol grips attached:
The definition of a shotgun under the GCA, 18 U.S.C.
§ 921(a)(5), is "a weapon designed or redesigned, made or remade, and intended to be fired from the shoulder and de- signed or redesigned and made or remade to use the energy of an explosives to fire through a smooth bore either a number of ball shot or single projectile for each single pull of the trig- ger. Under the GCA, 18 U.S.C. § 921(a)(29)(A), handgun means "a firearm which has a short stock and is designed to be held and fired by the use of a single hand." Federal law provides under 18 U.S.C. 922(b)(1), that if the firearm to be transferred is "other than a rifle or shotgun," the purchaser must be 21 years of age or older.
Certain commercially produced firearms do not fall within the definition of shotgun under the GCA even though they utilize a shotgun shell for ammunition. For example, firearms that come equipped with a pistol grip in place of the buttstock are not shotguns as defined by the GCA.
A firearm with a pistol grip in lieu of the shoulder stock is not designed to be fired from the shoulder and, therefore, is not a shotgun. Since it is a firearm "other than a rifle or shotgun," the purchaser must be 21 years of age or older. Additionally, interstate controls apply. The licensee and transferee must be residents of the same State.
Other questions raised pertain to entries made in the licensee's required records with respect to firearm "type." These entries should indicate the firearm type as "pistol grip firearm."

https://www.atf.gov/file/56446/download

Cooler heads will prevail in this matter.

 

[Diamondback]

If this is allowed to stand, AR pistols are next...

 

[IronMonster]

You know I had no real plans to buy one but I think tomorrow I think I'll buy a Tac 14 just because I know you Oregon guys cant have one.

 

[USMC1911]

So can one still be transferred private party to private party in oregon?

 

[F2CMaDMaXX]

Not legally, you will have the same problem when the BGC is run.

 

[Wombat of Doom]

What will the purpose of the phone call form them to someone that purchased one? Just curious. Thank you

This, just wondering what I need to be sure to stay 100% legal.

 

[FireArm]

Funny thing, I just bought one. The FFL called and completed the questioning over the phone...
I EXPECT A PHONE CALL SO I CAN LAUGH AT THEM.

 

[nehalemguy]

Funny thing, I just bought one. The FFL called and completed the questioning over the phone...
I EXPECT A PHONE CALL SO I CAN LAUGH AT THEM.

Just refer them to your attorney.

E

 

[Gaucho Gringo]

Buy a howdah. It is a legal shotgun pistol. 20 gauge. Might get the antis a little confused.

 

[74bronco]

are these offered with a rifled barrel option for slugs ? that would delete them from shotgun listing all together right ? no longer a smooth bore . just thinking out of the box here.

 

[Ruger Rich]

Someone needs to take them to court. No one in this state seems to have the backbone.

Few if any individuals have the money to do this. It has to be some kind of co-operative effort. NRA ?

 

[Ruger Rich]

Remember to Federal murders at Ruby Ridge started over shotgun barrels being half an inch too short.

And then there was Waco

 

[etrain16]

Talked to my FFL this morning about this when I went to pick up a gun. He said he's had several of his customers that suddenly want these and have asked if there is any way he can push it through by concealing the type of gun - listing it as a rifle or pistol, for example. He made it clear to those customers he has no interest in trying to help folks circumvent the current hold by the OSP. I thought it was interesting that folks would ask an FFL to basically try and work around the law. I would probably pass on any further business from such customers myself.

 

[Gaucho Gringo]

are these offered with a rifled barrel option for slugs ? that would delete them from shotgun listing all together right ? no longer a smooth bore . just thinking out of the box here.

That is how the Judge and Governor are, they have very shallow rifling. No complaints about them.

 

[308]

Curt's has a FB post up right now...

 

[Boboclown]

Buy a howdah. It is a legal shotgun pistol. 20 gauge. Might get the antis a little confused.

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This pistol is a blackpowder gun.

That is how the Judge and Governor are, they have very shallow rifling. No complaints about them.

They also have straight rifling last time I looked at one. I had no intentions of buying one so idk if they changed or not.

 

[Boboclown]

are these offered with a rifled barrel option for slugs ? that would delete them from shotgun listing all together right ? no longer a smooth bore . just thinking out of the box here.

It isn't rifled. But it isn't a shotgun either. Its a muzzle loader.

 

[Gaucho Gringo]

This pistol is a blackpowder gun.

I was posting this as a humorous way of confusing the lawmakers. I will bet 99.9999% of them couldn't tell the difference between a black powder shotgun pistol like this and the ones they want to ban.

 

[Boboclown]

Ah, I gotcha.

Well, it ain't got dem evil features that makes em piss their pants so in that regard its safe. And it isn't an all black gun, so that's another safe point. So they'll probably ignore it until they finish everything else.