I did not like them for a long time because I thought they must be poor quality but now I own six including two Finns. They are practical firearms and have earned their place in history.Not sure what you mean by the socio-economic comment, but it would be easy to mistake it for snobbery.
Not so sure about that. I watch the people who come to my tables at the shows looking for Mosins.You seem to have a misconception of many of us who appreciate the old Mosin Nagant. I have 8 of them myself, and have absolutely no interest whatsoever in ever "sporterizing" or "tacticooling" one. My oldest is a Finnish M28 with an 1897 receiver. I bought it in the late '80s, my first surplus rifle.
My comment about their affordability was simply in reference to years back when some nice, unusual specimens could be had for well under $100, and not because I'm a poor, broke knuckle-dragger who can't afford a real gun.
I did say "many of us", not all of us. I kind of resent being lumped in with the tacticool crowd, thank you very much.Not so sure about that. I watch the people who come to my tables at the shows looking for Mosins.
Fun thread.In your not-so-humble opinion.
Plenty of us who have multiples of them feel otherwise. You just have to appreciate them for what they are, not for what you think they should be. If you're trying to compare them to a slick, modern hunting rifle, or even a Garand, you will be disappointed.
What they are is a sturdy, simple, reliable, accurate (enough) old battle rifle that served many millions of soldiers very well for the better part of a century. So go ahead and hate all you want. I kind of wish more people felt like you do, so demand and prices would decrease back to a more affordable level, but that's just selfish of me.
I have to admit, a Mosin is no Swedish Mauser. If I had to choose from a purely utilitarian perspective, I'd take a Swede or even an Enfield over a Mosin, any day of the week. I would definitely prefer my unissued Yugo M48 that I paid $150 for back in the day, or my K31, or M1 Garand, or better yet any number of very accurate, modern hunting rifles within arm's reach.When I got the bug for a war relic I was thinking Mosin. Probably because I'm frugal/cheap. After reading here and elsewhere I decided I'm not into muzzle flash, and least of all, recoil. Keep in mind I didn't know anything about anything. They all look pretty much the same to me. Someone brought up "Swedish Mauser's". After reading and looking around that's what I set my sights on. I got a fine 1902 all matching M38 for a good price and love it. I'd probably love a nice Mosin too, if that was what I stayed with. Then I lucked out, pretty sure anyway, and came up with a nice all matching 1918 NoI MKIII SMLE Enfield. I get the idea there's a lot of those old relics that are just the way you describe them.
To be fair, most people could make almost the identical argument about the VW bug...which had an even shorter production run of about half the units. Not sure you could call either one a failure.While I appreciate the historical significance of the Mosin in WWll, I HATE these guns and wouldn’t take one for free. They are not fun to shoot, they are not smooth, cool, comfortable, or worthy of bragging. They are the Hi-point of rifles. I don’t understand the fascination wit the rifles, but I’m glad we can all make fun of them and those who own them, good naturedly of course.
Had a K98, and it was buttery smooth. However, the factory ammo was dogsh*. Since I don't reload, and I don't like corrosive ammo, I got rid of it. Now I have a 1903A3 which is much more accurate and has better sights.All the Mausers are gone now and this is what has happened.
Mosin operator's #1 mission...
Shoot a Nazi so you can get his K98
Yep, lots of folks like that. They only like "the best".It reminds me a little of the time I was showing a recently acquired Turkish Mauser to a friend, many years ago. He looked it over with disdain. To him a rifle is only a tool for hunting, nothing more; it's history is meaningless. Where I saw a really neat old gun, he just saw a clunky, heavy, beat-up old junker.
YES. They do become better shots with the scope - as long as it's from the bench.Because they can't shoot well and think if they add stuff to the gun that they will somehow become better shots?
Hate is a pretty strong word. Did one of them shoot your dog?While I appreciate the historical significance of the Mosin in WWll, I HATE these guns and wouldn’t take one for free. They are not fun to shoot, they are not smooth, cool, comfortable, or worthy of bragging. They are the Hi-point of rifles. I don’t understand the fascination wit the rifles, but I’m glad we can all make fun of them and those who own them, good naturedly of course.