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More Americans shot & killed by law enforcement since 9/11 than killed in Iraq war

Discussion in 'Legal & Political Archive' started by chariot13, Feb 12, 2014.

  1. chariot13

    chariot13 Near Eugene/Springfield Well-Known Member

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  2. Redcap

    Redcap Lewis County, WA Well-Known Member

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    Time to start shooting back.
     
  3. Burt Gummer

    Burt Gummer Portland Completely Out of Ammo

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    Reality bites.
     
  4. solv3nt

    solv3nt Portland Well-Known Member

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    Not to side with the cops, but you do realize that you are citing a blog, which is citing another blog?
     
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  5. chariot13

    chariot13 Near Eugene/Springfield Well-Known Member

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    Statistics based on fact, tend to result in the same outcome regardless of its source.

    US Police Have Killed Over 5,000 Civilians Since 9/11

    US Police Have Killed 5,000 Americans Since 9/11 (Video) | Alternative

    Cops Have Killed Over 5,000 Americans Since 9/11 | Filming Cops

    Americans Killed by Police Since 9/11 Now Outnumber Americans Killed in Iraq War

    http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2011/06/fear-of-terror-makes-people-stupid.html
     
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  6. 1stklass

    1stklass salem oregon Well-Known Member

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    Do these count towards firearms fatalities? I would bet its a DIRECT order from the POS.... i mean POTUS because firearm fatalities are dropping and they need an excuse to ban guns..... If they can bump off 10k or so extra people a year to skew the numbers higher they just might get their ban pushed through!!! :bluelaugh:
     
  7. chariot13

    chariot13 Near Eugene/Springfield Well-Known Member

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    Yes they do count towards overall firearm fatalities, which many anti-gun people like to quote.
     
  8. Martini_Up

    Martini_Up NW USA Well-Known Member

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    ROE are much more strict in war zones than they are in our neighborhoods.

    War: Don't fire unless fired upon.

    Neighborhood: Fire whenever you like and should you be questioned about the incident claim you feared for your life and were following training. Grand Jury will have to look at training which will state to fire if officer fears for life and they will then acquit because they have to believe officer must have feared for their life else why did they shoot?

    Officer gets medal for smoking kid in field playing with stick.
     
  9. PiratePast40

    PiratePast40 Willamette Valley Well-Known Member

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    I tend to agree with solv3nt. Even with the cited references, it's still mostly bloggers quoting bloggers with a whole bunch of estimates thrown in. I'd personally need to see more respected sources compiling the data and then have it subject to review before we all grab the pitchforks and torches and start storming the castle.
     
  10. U201492

    U201492 Well-Known Member

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    No, Mr. Redcap- while it may be emotionally satisfying to "shoot back" (Your words) it would be far more effective in the long run to hold the police accountable in a court of law.

    What it seems like- I have considered this situation now for a long time, and carefully considered it- my conclusion is 3 kinds of justice: Legal Justice in the court system, Gods Justice that happens after we die, and "street justice".

    I much prefer "Legal Justice"- using tools like this: Spy Car Protects Against Unscrupulous Cops - YouTube Now this is the way to crucify the bad police officers.
     
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    spreck bellingham Member

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    Vipr squads.
     
  12. solv3nt

    solv3nt Portland Well-Known Member

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    Your post is titled "shot AND killed"; do the number include only those shot, those shot AND killed, or the sum of those shot AND killed? Also, how many are shootouts with law enforcement? How many of these are "no-knock warrants"? You can skew statistics to fit any agenda...
     
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  13. chariot13

    chariot13 Near Eugene/Springfield Well-Known Member

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    "respected sources compiling the data" You can compile the data on your own. Practically every news station of every locality inside America, has a website with an archives of past stories. Most of what happens doesn't make it in the news. You can also submit a FOIA Request towards every police agency in the US on every officer involved shooting that resulted in a fatality of an American citizen. Denying something in front of you, only works when you are delusional
     
  14. chariot13

    chariot13 Near Eugene/Springfield Well-Known Member

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    The statistics are there to show you, that as an American you are more likely to be killed by law enforcement than any (other?) terrorist.
     
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    RK600 SW WA Active Member

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    Everything on internet blogs is true. No one just takes info and reposts it or makes it up without fact checking to bolster views to their website. That never, ever, happens.

    95% of all "facts" are made up on the spot. Denying what is in front of you until proven to your satisfaction is not delusional. That's common sense.
     
  16. ZA_Survivalist

    ZA_Survivalist Oregon AK's all day.

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    Why dont officers have a "duty to retreat"?!
    Seems like they can open fire when ever, hit innocent bystanders, execute someone
    (like a female officer did) "accidentally" while the perp is already detained..

    If they can open fire when they feel that they or the lives of others is in jeopardy why cant we?! This whole "duty to retreat" is BS. And Leos rules of engagement is WAY less restricive than that of our troops.
     
  17. BSG 75

    BSG 75 Oregon Well-Known Member

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    According to the FBI, there are 300-400 justifiable homicides by law enforcement annually, not 500 to 1,000.

    Expanded Homicide Data Table 13 - Crime in the United States 2007
    FBI ? Expanded Homicide Data Table 14
     
  18. solv3nt

    solv3nt Portland Well-Known Member

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    Between 2008 and 2012, the FBI has recorded approximately 400 felons being shot and killed by LEO.
    FBI ? Expanded Homicide Data Table 14

    Using the ~400 figure, and expanding it from 2002-2013, you have 12 years with 400 deaths each year. This equates to approximately 4,800, versus the 4,489 American's killed in Iraq.
    http://antiwar.com/casualties/

    The FBI figures only include those felons that met their maker, it doesn't include those shot while being a felon. Also, crime has decreased over the last 10 years, and honestly, I'm too lazy to find the percentage.

    That said, it looks like the number are true.
     
  19. solv3nt

    solv3nt Portland Well-Known Member

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    Please note the asterisk on the FBI table, "The killing of a felon by a law enforcement officer in the line of duty."
    FBI ? Expanded Homicide Data Table 14

    Based on the statistics, ~400 felons out of ~300 million American's are killed by police each year. Conversely, on average, ~400 American Soldiers lost their lives while protecting the US in Iraq. Your inference that you are more likely to be killed by LEO than a terrorist is inherently flawed. For example, if you are a felon, and you have a tendency to threaten LEO, THEN you are more likely to go out in a blaze of glory with LEO. However, since the majority of American's aren't felons, your inference falls flat.
     
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  20. chariot13

    chariot13 Near Eugene/Springfield Well-Known Member

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    When you hear, read or see something on the news, a blog or elsewhere, it is never an absolute truth or proof that it has happened. Because video, writing & audio all can be spoofed. The most you can hope for is an indisputable observation. If you can't find any information out there to refute what is before you, then it has been observed and what you have observed is indisputable, no? Well at the time the observation above was made, there was and still has been no exceptions that have been found to say it hasn't happened. It doesn't necessarily mean everything you see with your own eyes is true either, because even your eyes can be fooled. If you have something to even remotely say the story isn't fact (because I think its a whole lot worse than the statistics show) then please share.