Moms demand in Portland: Fred Meyer OC ban

[rick benjamin]

What does WA have to do with the nannies dumping signatures at Fred Meyer in PORTLAND?
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Because Heidi lives in WA

12-2014 Moms Demand Action from Fred Meyers
8-2013 Moms Demand Action from Starbucks
7-2013 Moms Heidi Yewman buys, carries gun for a whole month!
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Denver post
Others didn't see her point, think <broken link removed>

Same sheep, different pasture...

 

[Norm0931]

Dave, that was a pretty poorly written article. I agree MDA is misguided and flat out ignorant, but your article starts out with a sentence about MDA petitioning Fred Meyer in Portland. Then you go on to basically complain about I594. Two separate issues...

 

[solv3nt]

Hahaha! OFF alert says that Fred Meyer contributes to OFF!

 

[tiggers97]

Ok. So an interesting observation, and maybe some of you IT geeks can help out.

Frys Grocery is the store today that MDA is encouraging their members to CALL (not email, not post, call). They give the following number: 1-888-897-0086.

This is the same number they used when going after Target. They were chastised then for giving out the wrong Target corporate number. Or was it really the wrong number? This last election, I learned it is common practice to use things like google phone numbers so that a phone bank in Ohio can do voter call or surveys in, say Hillsboro Oregon, in order to mask the callers with a local phone number.

Is MDA doing the same thing here? Is a caller from Massachusetts appearing as a local, Oregon resident to the Fred Meyer Oregon corporate office? It would be a good tactic to make your sides protest appear larger than it actually is. Maybe that's why they are breaking up the Kroger brand into smaller pieces to go after.

Or are they being even sneakier? (speculation mode: ON) Screening calls, or even recording them to be played back at a later date to keep the pressure on Kroger (and again, make the protest seem larger than it actually is). Or you call one store today, and the recorded message is sent to ALL the stores. Not sure of the possibilities, but once you go thru their gate, what can they do with the info? Has anyone used the number yet?

Anyone with IT ping/tracing tools that knows anything about internet phone banking experience that can chim in?

 

[bnsaibum]

tiggers97, I seem to remember something similar suggested about some initiative or or bill of some sort in CA a year or so back, only that one WAS confirmed as calls being rerouted to appear local or at least within the representative area. At least that is my recollection. I wouldn't put it past them.

 

[U201491]

In other words the Left wingers that do this stuff are scum sucking, blood sucking, lying, lowlife, lower than pond scum, communist, Marxist socialist, cheating POS's and just plain azzcavities........ right.
What else is new.
It is what they do as daily practice. No moral compass remains in any of them !
I have about 3,000 other lower than slug slime adjectives that apply to these ("poor-description" people) if anyone wants them. America needs a GOOD ENEMA.

Ahhh that felt good

 

[Gunner3456]

Are there any adults here? Why would it be a good idea to carry a rifle in any store and risk having them ban guns? They have a right to even ban your concealed gun on private property, you know.

Right now you have the right to carry your AR into most private places. Why not save that right for the day when you might need it? Why stir up a nest when you are the one with the right and the old biddies are outta luck? Why encourage them to try to take your right when you might need it some day if people start burning and rioting?

Why does anyone need to open carry an AR into Freddies today? To prove that you can? You already can. The real danger is that the day may come when you can't.

People who don't understand us just get worse when they see a gun. It's not as if we could desensitize them or teach them something. All we'll get is these fights.

Please put your damn rifle away and conceal a good hand gun and keep it concealed. Please don't rub it into peoples' faces.

We caused/allowed Starbucks to get caught in the middle of the gun rights debate. They don't really care if we carry guns but they had to "respectfully request" that we leave them home.

How many more?

 

[bnsaibum]

Are there any adults here? Why would it be a good idea to carry a rifle in any store and risk having them ban guns? They have a right to even ban your concealed gun on private property, you know.

Right now you have the right to carry your AR into most private places. Why not save that right for the day when you might need it? Why stir up a nest when you are the one with the right and the old biddies are outta luck? Why encourage them to try to take your right when you might need it some day if people start burning and rioting?

Why does anyone need to open carry an AR into Freddies today? To prove that you can? You already can. The real danger is that the day may come when you can't.

People who don't understand us just get worse when they see a gun. It's not as if we could desensitize them or teach them something. All we'll get is these fights.

Please put your damn rifle away and conceal a good hand gun and keep it concealed. Please don't rub it into peoples' faces.

We caused/allowed Starbucks to get caught in the middle of the gun rights debate. They don't really care if we carry guns but they had to "respectfully request" that we leave them home.

How many more?

I guess those prone to hysteria or flying off the handle without gathering more information is not something done solely by hoplophobes.

No one here is suggesting anyone carry a rifle openly in Freddies nor are they seriously suggesting that more open carry happen in their stores. The Bliss Ninny Mommies brought up the open carry of rifles because it has gotten some national media attention... from Texas... in Texas... as a 1st Amendment demonstration against the idiotic open carry laws of Texas in the hopes that they can be changed for the better.

 

[bnsaibum]

Ok. So an interesting observation, and maybe some of you IT geeks can help out.

Frys Grocery is the store today that MDA is encouraging their members to CALL (not email, not post, call). They give the following number: 1-888-897-0086.

This is the same number they used when going after Target. They were chastised then for giving out the wrong Target corporate number. Or was it really the wrong number? This last election, I learned it is common practice to use things like google phone numbers so that a phone bank in Ohio can do voter call or surveys in, say Hillsboro Oregon, in order to mask the callers with a local phone number.

Is MDA doing the same thing here? Is a caller from Massachusetts appearing as a local, Oregon resident to the Fred Meyer Oregon corporate office? It would be a good tactic to make your sides protest appear larger than it actually is. Maybe that's why they are breaking up the Kroger brand into smaller pieces to go after.

Or are they being even sneakier? (speculation mode: ON) Screening calls, or even recording them to be played back at a later date to keep the pressure on Kroger (and again, make the protest seem larger than it actually is). Or you call one store today, and the recorded message is sent to ALL the stores. Not sure of the possibilities, but once you go thru their gate, what can they do with the info? Has anyone used the number yet?

Anyone with IT ping/tracing tools that knows anything about internet phone banking experience that can chim in?

I pulled these up on a search for the number;
https://twitter.com/shannonrwatts/status/478612043432726529
https://www.facebook.com/MomsDemand...70846.300719666712627/681268705324386/?type=1

 

[Gunner3456]

I guess those prone to hysteria or flying off the handle without gathering more information is not something done solely by hoplophobes.

No one here is suggesting anyone carry a rifle openly in Freddies nor are they seriously suggesting that more open carry happen in their stores. The Bliss Ninny Mommies brought up the open carry of rifles because it has gotten some national media attention... from Texas... in Texas... as a 1st Amendment demonstration against the idiotic open carry laws of Texas in the hopes that they can be changed for the better.

I've always been surprised that Texas of all places would be restrictive. But the way to tackle it is in the courts, not on the streets. We see Texas being used as the venue for challenging Obama's immigration fiasco. Why? Because of all of the states joining, the federal appeals court in Texas is probably the most moderate/conservative of any of the others and they have the best chance of getting a favorable ruling.

We never get a favorable reaction from those who either don't understand guns or those who are anti-gun by putting guns in their faces.

So again I say, put the damn guns away and carry a good concealed handgun. Those who walk around even open carrying a handgun are just risking having more businesses ban them, which they can. If they ban all guns then you are committing the crime of trespass if you try to sneak your concealed gun in there. You could be arrested and lose your right to carry.

Right now I can concealed carry into most private businesses. Let's keep it that way.

 

[NWGlockgal]

latest results....

Yes - the company is simply adhering to local laws. 86.52% (1,726 votes)

No - I don't want the possibility of seeing guns when I'm shopping. 11.83% (236 votes)

Other - please comment below 1.65% (33 votes)

Total Votes: 1,995

 

[Slobray]

Ok. So an interesting observation, and maybe some of you IT geeks can help out.

Frys Grocery is the store today that MDA is encouraging their members to CALL (not email, not post, call). They give the following number: 1-888-897-0086.

This is the same number they used when going after Target. They were chastised then for giving out the wrong Target corporate number. Or was it really the wrong number? This last election, I learned it is common practice to use things like google phone numbers so that a phone bank in Ohio can do voter call or surveys in, say Hillsboro Oregon, in order to mask the callers with a local phone number.

Is MDA doing the same thing here? Is a caller from Massachusetts appearing as a local, Oregon resident to the Fred Meyer Oregon corporate office? It would be a good tactic to make your sides protest appear larger than it actually is. Maybe that's why they are breaking up the Kroger brand into smaller pieces to go after.

Or are they being even sneakier? (speculation mode: ON) Screening calls, or even recording them to be played back at a later date to keep the pressure on Kroger (and again, make the protest seem larger than it actually is). Or you call one store today, and the recorded message is sent to ALL the stores. Not sure of the possibilities, but once you go thru their gate, what can they do with the info? Has anyone used the number yet?

Anyone with IT ping/tracing tools that knows anything about internet phone banking experience that can chim in?

It appears that you are correct about callers from everywhere to appear as locals. I called the number and they coach you up to what to say then connect you to Frys. They tell you to let them know your zip code and what store you are calling about, ask to prohibit carry and then some bubblegum about "gun violence". I was then connected to a receptionist at Frys.


The nice part is that I used their number to let Freddy's know that I support their position on open carry in their stores.


Ray

 

[edison bulb]

I also don't think it is a good idea to open carry rifles in a grocery store. Sure, it is legal right now, but for how long? I believe that thrusting firearms in peoples faces is not a good way to make friends of the 2A. People who open carry need to consider their environment: Are they in rural Oregon where that sort of thing is culturally acceptable? Then it makes sense. But let's face it: Portland is NOT such a place. Fact is, the unknown does scare people, and people who don't know anything about firearms are scared of them. Isn't it better to introduce them to the safe handling techniques of a unloaded and loaded firearm? Wouldn't it be better to take them out shooting sometime? I do see both sides to this issue here, but after a lot of thought believe that if you give Mothers Demand Action (and any other anti-2A folks) any wiggle room, just sit back and watch your 2A rights evaporate.

 

[Gunner3456]

We don't have a 2A right to take guns onto other peoples' private property. We never did. We do it because most don't ban it by putting signs on the door. Let's not push it, OK?

 

[Gunner3456]

latest results....

Yes - the company is simply adhering to local laws. 86.52% (1,726 votes)

No - I don't want the possibility of seeing guns when I'm shopping. 11.83% (236 votes)

Other - please comment below 1.65% (33 votes)

Total Votes: 1,995

It just takes a few noisy people to stir the pot and that's what we're dealing with now. This doesn't come down to a vote, and our rights on private property aren't decided by majority rule.

These old biddies can cause us a lot of problems by being vocal.

We're not talking about democracy and voting to pass laws. That didn't go so well recently anyway, so I doubt that poll. We're talking about someone who controls private property making an edict by the rule of just one.

Frankly I'm amazed that more stores don't ban guns because there are anti-gunners with the power to do that.

Let's please not be the ones stirring the pot, OK?

 

[Brigadier]

Are there any adults here? Why would it be a good idea to carry a rifle in any store and risk having them ban guns? They have a right to even ban your concealed gun on private property, you know.

Right now you have the right to carry your AR into most private places. Why not save that right for the day when you might need it? Why stir up a nest when you are the one with the right and the old biddies are outta luck? Why encourage them to try to take your right when you might need it some day if people start burning and rioting?

Why does anyone need to open carry an AR into Freddies today? To prove that you can? You already can. The real danger is that the day may come when you can't.

People who don't understand us just get worse when they see a gun. It's not as if we could desensitize them or teach them something. All we'll get is these fights.

Please put your damn rifle away and conceal a good hand gun and keep it concealed. Please don't rub it into peoples' faces.

We caused/allowed Starbucks to get caught in the middle of the gun rights debate. They don't really care if we carry guns but they had to "respectfully request" that we leave them home.

How many more?

Finally a voice of reason on this board!!

IMO, the militant Open Carry Fudds are not helping our case, AT ALL!!!

 

[edison bulb]

I'd like to quote Iain Harrison from Recoil magazine, Issue # 14 (emphasis mine):

"We as gun owners have the responsibility to ensure that future generations experience the same kind of freedoms we enjoy. At an individual level, we can do this by being ambassadors for our way of life -- putting a friendly face to firearms ownership destroys the media's attempts to label us all as potential spree killers. Take a neighbor shooting. Explain to people that your constitutionally guaranteed ownership of guns threatens no one, unless they threaten you. Discuss the fundamental human right of people to defend themselves. [...] Although certain Texan activists may think they're simply expressing their Second Amendment rights and protesting the lack of an open carry option for handguns by toting rifles into fast food establishments, their actions serve only to alienate the people we should be bringing into the fold. So knock it off, guys."

 

[3MTA3]

tiggers97, I seem to remember something similar suggested about some initiative or or bill of some sort in CA a year or so back, only that one WAS confirmed as calls being rerouted to appear local or at least within the representative area. At least that is my recollection. I wouldn't put it past them.

Masking the Caller ID is incredibly simple to do. The problem is that all calls that call in this way will have the same caller ID if they are blocking the original and using a mask on the outbound leg.

 

[3MTA3]

It appears that you are correct about callers from everywhere to appear as locals. I called the number and they coach you up to what to say then connect you to Frys. They tell you to let them know your zip code and what store you are calling about, ask to prohibit carry and then some bubblegum about "gun violence". I was then connected to a receptionist at Frys.


The nice part is that I used their number to let Freddy's know that I support their position on open carry in their stores.


Ray

This is an EXCELLENT tactic since THEY pay for the toll free charge. Stay on the line for as long as you can and ALWAYS call the store that way for ANY reason until they turn it off.

 

[deen_ad]

< Why they don't have school shootings in Israel.
Notice the long gun slung over the teachers shoulder?

They have a right to even ban your concealed gun on private property, you know.

And in WA the only thing they can do if they find out is to ask you to leave. At that point you either must leave or you COULD be arrested. So far I've never been asked to leave anywhere even from Van Mall or Clackamas.

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