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Modification to the classified section

Discussion in 'Questions, Problems, & Feedback' started by Joe Link, Nov 21, 2009.

  1. Joe Link

    Joe Link Portland, OR Well-Known Member Staff Member Lifetime Supporter 2015 Volunteer 2016 Volunteer

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    I wanted to let all of you know about a new modification I just enabled for the classified section in order to cut down on the 'bump' abuses you've complained about that have become so prevalent.

    What the mod does is restrict users to replying to their own classified threads within 7 days of their previous post, if nobody has replied after their last post. This means if someone tries to bump their thread prematurely or even update it with info by replying to it, they'll get an error message stating:

    Now, if there is one or more reply to the thread, the original poster is allowed one reply to answer the question or questions, at which time the 7 day time limit resets itself again, since the thread has been bumped. I can't change the functionality of this at all, so it's not really up for discussion as to whether or not this is the best practice, but I think it's fair. That means the OP does not have to update the original thread with the updated information, but it will reset his bump counter to 7 days. Those of you who are already following the rules will, if this works correctly, never see the error message and you'll have no less functionality than you did before.

    I'm sure there will still be some abuses to this system but I think this is going to do a great deal to cut down on this problem we're having. As always, thank you to those of you who use the report button, we really appreciate it :thumbup:
     
  2. PlayboyPenguin

    PlayboyPenguin Pacific Northwest Well-Known Member 2016 Volunteer

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    What if someone lowers a price? That is something that I would want to see. Just modifying the original ad does not let a person know a price has changed. I know I do not check an ad again if it is showing I have already read it unless something new has been added.

    Also, what if the ad is for multiple items and one item sells with no one posting anything in the thread?
     
  3. ZeroRing

    ZeroRing 26th District, WA Active Member

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    If a question is asked, they are allowed a response posting to answer the question. THAT would be the time to "lower" a price (and not in ANOTHER post 5 minutes later).
     
  4. Trlsmn

    Trlsmn In Utero (Portland) Well-Known Member

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    If the AD poster is worried people won't read the updated info in their AD he could edit the new info in red

    With the new info and the words "AD updated". Once everyone gets used to looking in the original AD for all the information in my opinion it will save the members time browsing the AD's as they won't have to read 15 posts looking for info that should all be in the original AD anyway.




    On a side note I will be especially diligent in watching for shill bumps. It's no secret to us that this practice is being abused.
     
  5. PlayboyPenguin

    PlayboyPenguin Pacific Northwest Well-Known Member 2016 Volunteer

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    Seems like a lot of effort is being made to solve a problem that really isn't a problem and a lot of toes are getting stepped on in the process. I mean who really cares is a person bumps their ad every day if they actually add info or change details? I load up the classified section everyday and I like seeing all the ads that are still active being bumped into todays postings. Who are these rules benefitting?

    Even if the new info inside the ad is new, that does not help if people do not open the ad because it is already showing that they read it.
     
  6. Doubletap

    Doubletap Newberg Well-Known Member

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    Bumping..schmumping.. What's really annoying is all the closed threads..taking up the bulk of the pages..
     
  7. PlayboyPenguin

    PlayboyPenguin Pacific Northwest Well-Known Member 2016 Volunteer

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    The closed threads are a great resource to determine local value of an item. :)
     
  8. philcoates

    philcoates Oregon City Member

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    I really enjoy looking at closed threads as well, for the same reason as penguins. I hope that they dont remove them.
     
  9. Trlsmn

    Trlsmn In Utero (Portland) Well-Known Member

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    Actually it is a huge problem that the average member doesn't see as we Mods are constantly giving warnings infractions, modifying and deleting in the Ad section. The fact that the average user doesn't see it doesn't mean it isn't a problem. As for toes being stepped on the only ones that have had a problem with the enforcement are the sharks.


    The people that follow the rules and get bumped to the second or third page by the sharks care! Why should it be a battle of persistence to be on the first page and not a fair process for all the members equally?

    The rules are benefiting all members equally.

    If a person is interested in an item and needs more info he can post in the thread asking for it, or PM the seller. When the members know that new info is always posted in the original post people will look in the original post for the info.

    The fact is NWFA has brought in myself, and just today MarkSBG to deal with this, that is how big a problem it is.
     
  10. PlayboyPenguin

    PlayboyPenguin Pacific Northwest Well-Known Member 2016 Volunteer

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    But none of that matters if everyone can bump their ad. I still do not see where the problem lies. If the problem is mods are spending so much time giving warnings then that problem disappears if there are no warnings to give. If people are being bumped down a page they need to bump their ad too. It is nice to see all the active ads jump to the front each day. I still am failing to see who these rules benefit or why they exist. Who is actually being harmed by someone adding info to an ad more than once a week? Who are these rules actually helping? Are they just a case of "because I said so" that has gotten out of hand?
     
  11. Trlsmn

    Trlsmn In Utero (Portland) Well-Known Member

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    We don't remove closed threads, nor do we plan to in the future.
     
  12. Joe Link

    Joe Link Portland, OR Well-Known Member Staff Member Lifetime Supporter 2015 Volunteer 2016 Volunteer

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    Like Trlsmn said, this will benefit all members equally. If a person has ten things for sale in one section (and some do) and bumps them all to the first page every day, they have effectively reduced that classified section into their own private sale. If ten people consistently do that with two ads it has the same effect. The average user shouldn't have to get into a bump war or check their ad daily just to make sure his or her ad appears on the first couple pages for a reasonable amount of time. This is a usability issue more than anything, and we intend to do what we can to make the NWFA experience enjoyable for all, not only a select few.
     
  13. PlayboyPenguin

    PlayboyPenguin Pacific Northwest Well-Known Member 2016 Volunteer

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    And if 100 people each have one or two ads and bump them every day then when you sign on you will see 100 active for sale ads. I still do not see the problem. If I post an ad on a physical bulletin board and go back a few days and someone has put their band flyer over my ad I simply move my ad on top of their band flyer. I do not need a govt. official coming in and controlling the bulletin board and handing out tickets to the people who move their ads.

    If new info is being added their is no harm in allowing an ad to be bumped daily. If someone lowers their price every day until something sells then who is it harming for that ad to get bumped?
     
  14. Trlsmn

    Trlsmn In Utero (Portland) Well-Known Member

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    So we should just have a free for all and the battle of the most persistent owns page one of all the Classifieds?


    They benefit everyone equally. Why should the average member have to bump his AD all day every day to keep up with the sharks?

    There is a lot going on that the average user does not see as we work hard to fix the constant problems with the sharks.

    Under the new system info can be added at any time to the original post and is right there to be easily seen. The problem is that people are constantly abusing the rules and it's more about bumping AD's than adding info.


    I can only speak for myself but nothing here with me is about playing power MOD. I treat everyone equally. I have given my real world friend warnings and infractions.

    What is more I have always taken the time to PM and explain things to anyone that has asked. 99% of the people that I have spoken to have been pleasant and seemed to understand in the end. Heck I've had people that started out down right abusive and which I was well within my rights to ban, and yet I took the time to diffuse the situation and got them on track.
     
  15. PlayboyPenguin

    PlayboyPenguin Pacific Northwest Well-Known Member 2016 Volunteer

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    If there are obvious sharks then deal with the sharks. Do not impose ridiculously tight rules on honest board members. I still do not see who it benefits. Even if a "shark" posts 10 ads a day he is still selling something, right? I want to see what is for sale. I do not want to trudge back 10 pages to see if any changes have been made to an ad I have already read.
     
  16. Trlsmn

    Trlsmn In Utero (Portland) Well-Known Member

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    You say ridiculous I say fair and equal, we will have to agree to disagree. And as for the sharks they are being hunted down and eliminated. The problem is if you get rid of one shark one will just take it's place, sometimes it's the same shark reincarnated.


    Like I said there is a lot you are not seeing and would not be proper or tactical to speak about in the open forum. I too had no idea the scope of the games people will play just to skirt the rules as they stood.
     
  17. Trlsmn

    Trlsmn In Utero (Portland) Well-Known Member

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    Ah but there is where you logic fails, if it is 10 pages back it is the same Ad not a new Ad! If someone asks a question it will move to the front :thumbup:


    If you really want it I'm confident you will look back on it. You can make an offer to the poster, I do this all the time.
     
  18. SavageGerbil

    SavageGerbil Salem, OR Active Member

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    Thank you guys for setting up the new system
     
  19. theduke

    theduke NW Member

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    I'd like to see all closed threads move to the "end" of the sales section . NO need for them to bump to the top. Anyone interested in an Item that has sold will know where it went , or that it has been sold. If one cares enough , one can search & find out. Otherwise I Like
    the Update. There only seems to be a FEW ,that are either NEW or Above the Rules and
    Refuse to admitt they Abuse the system. You have something for sale, DON"T CRAMIT
    2 THE TOP 10 TIMES a DAY. If someones interested they will surely contact you with all the Info stated in your Thread. That is all..................
     
  20. Bello425

    Bello425 Vancouver Well-Known Member 2016 Volunteer

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    MODS,

    How does the average Joe change the "thread" title? Sometimes I would like to change the price, description, etc but can only do it on the thread but not the title. Thanks for the assist.