Modern Defensive Shotgun?

[Stomper]

Ok, I have heard of that before.

No need to mess with magazines. How is the recoil of the 930? Can lighter loads or shorter hulls be used for smaller defenders?

I ran several hundred rounds of "cheapy" low-base #6.5 Estate target/dove loads and full-on 00-buck hi-base loads through the above specimen before I entered it into the PDW/HD roation. I ran them separately, intermixed, etc without a single malfunction.

I'm not recoil sensitive, but the recoil impulse is MUCH lighter than a pump-gun, and I didn't feel any real difference between light and heavy loads during all that.

 

[CountryGent]

Thanks all for the thoughts, etc. Random musings:

• Not wed to the idea of box magazines. Thinking is they are faster to reload and I've seen mag-fed shotguns cut way back to a very handy system. Most, though not all, were Saiga-based. A tube-fed so shortened will, naturally, lose shots. However, if there is reliability issues, no thanks. I've got zero patience for a firearm that isn't 100% reliable these days.
• The Mossberg 930 looks damn interesting — thanks.
• Regarding Mossberg 500-series. Have three and no real complaints (500 in 12, wife's 500 Youth in 20, and a Serbu Super Shorty in 12*) for what they are.
• I read somewhere that they are making semi-auto versions of the AA-12. Neat, I guess, but no idea on specifics.
• Did some more research on the USAS-12. Cool design, but doubt would fit in this current market landscape.
• In my travels I've found some wackier designs; weird Turkish guns, no thanks. SRM 1216 better, maybe.

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[GWS]

Those 930's always make me want one, damn nice design. The biggest problem I see with the mag fed in the, well mags. Shells are so big it ends up making the damn mags huge. Where as with the auto like the 930, you can keep feeding more rounds in as used. Watched some video of the one with a drum and it was impressive but they look more like something to mount on a vehicle they get so damn big

I find mag fed shotguns to be clumsy as hell.
The center of gravity is off
Switching to or from slugs is laborious and topping off is impossible
I'll stick with my tube magazines, thank you.

 

[coop44]

Would never own a mossberg. Get a Remington 1100 or 11-87, be happy!!

 

[OldBroad44]

Mag fed shotguns are fun toys, not defensive weapons IMO.

Get a Benelli m4, side saddle, few belt mounted shell holders, and lots of training and practice.

Why do you think mag fed shotguns are fun toys rather than defensive weapons? (I'm not disagreeing. Just asking. I don't know much about shotguns.)

 

[No_Regerts]

Why do you think mag fed shotguns are fun toys rather than defensive weapons? (I'm not disagreeing. Just asking. I don't know much about shotguns.)

To me, shotguns feel very off when the weight of the shells is slung underneath from a magazine or bandolier. Shotgun shells are pretty heavy. I've tried to run through courses with a bandolier and the weight made starting and stopping difficult when pointing/aiming.

 

[No_Regerts]

Would never own a mossberg. Get a Remington 1100 or 11-87, be happy!!

Personal preference, or something you don't like in particular?

 

[coop44]

I worked at the West coast warranty center for mossberg. Saw tons of them come in for "errors in the manufacturing process"

 

[Joe13]

I worked at the West coast warranty center for mossberg. Saw tons of them come in for "errors in the manufacturing process"

Remington for me all the way if it is a pump

 

[Cerberus Group]

Yep, there isn't a whole lotta love put into much of anything anymore.

I've run Benelli's since the 80's, and had a Beretta 1301 issued to me at one time, and would take the Beretta over the Benelli...much softer shooting, and will handle lock-breakers and other low power loads, when the Benelli would choke.

Have a friend who reps for Mossberg and got me a 930 for a great price...I consider them a poor mans Beretta 1301. Anyway, went through it and upgraded the gas and recoil systems, smoothed out the bolt carrier and opened up the feed port...it'll run everything the Beretta will. Just too bad they don't come out of the box smoother.

 

[Geardo]

Why do you think mag fed shotguns are fun toys rather than defensive weapons? (I'm not disagreeing. Just asking. I don't know much about shotguns.)

The shot gun hulls squish into ovals when loaded long term, leading to jams. Also, the 10 rd magazines are very unweildly.

 

[GOG]

I've been looking at Black Aces Tactical's Pro Model semi-auto. Same size as a Shockwave pump but in delicious semi-auto flavors.
Most if not all of their short shotguns are backordered.
Reviews are mixed with the majority positive.

Just throwing this out there. The wood stocked model is a beauty.

 

[No_Regerts]

I worked at the West coast warranty center for mossberg. Saw tons of them come in for "errors in the manufacturing process"

Errors aren't too bad. The last 3 870's I've had, schit just broke off.

 

[Cerberus Group]

Errors aren't too bad. The last 3 870's I've had, schit just broke off.

If you don't get the Police Model, they don't hold up well.

 

[DB is Here]

I've had the Marine Magnum for over 20 years and it's help up exceedingly well to years of use. Are the newer one's garbage?

 

[Cerberus Group]

Folks either don't have the time or the ammo to really run their guns much, and most probably won't wear out a rifle barrel or the gun in their lifetime.

Like most everything...they want to make more profit with less overhead...so something's got to give.

 

[Geardo]

I've had the Marine Magnum for over 20 years and it's help up exceedingly well to years of use. Are the newer one's garbage?

Indeed

 

[No_Regerts]

I've had the Marine Magnum for over 20 years and it's help up exceedingly well to years of use. Are the newer one's garbage?

The newer non-wingmasters are Pretty junky. Finishes suck, small parts break a lot, the trigger guard is plastic and stamped REMINGTON in the biggest font that will fit.

 

[Joe13]

The newer non-wingmasters are Pretty junky. Finishes suck, small parts break a lot, the trigger guard is plastic and stamped REMINGTON in the biggest font that will fit.

Yea, I love my 20" 1981 police express.

I have a newer express magnum for forest birds and it isn't half the gun.

 

[titsonritz]

I'll take a Beretta 1301 with an Aridus Industries dress-up over anything out there.