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Military Veteran’s AR-15 Confiscated by Police – But the Reason Why Is the Real Story

Discussion in 'Legal & Political Archive' started by gonefishinagain, May 30, 2013.

  1. gonefishinagain

    gonefishinagain Vancouver, WA Member

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  2. Kable

    Kable Lynnwood Active Member

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    Never ever ever fire a warning shot. Personally I would have also waited for him to actually have broken in before firing and that shot would go into center mass. Unless he had a gun because he wouldn't have to actually break in to hurt or kill you.
     
  3. spreck

    spreck bellingham Member

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    One of the first things my dad taught me about self defense with lethal force ( after safe firearm handling, age 8) if you ever feel you have to defend your home make sure the mess is inside the threshold, followed by dead men tell no lies. Also be courteous, but have a plan to dispatch anyone who threatens you.
     
  4. Caveman Jim

    Caveman Jim West of Oly Springer Slayer 2016 Volunteer

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    Homey don't play that!!! The only warning shot I'll give is going to be in their chest!!! I also refuse to live in an apartment (I know some don't have a choice) because of the ordinances regarding firearms. My neighbors will be calling afterwards asking "Did ya git em, how many & did ya call the coroner or the Sheriff?" !!!
     
  5. michaelwilson98

    michaelwilson98 Mt. Angel, Oregon Member

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    That's some garbage. He was doing exactly what he was trained to do. Although it is true but this whole gun grabbing thing is getting out of control. It's ridiculous that police are looking for anything to take our guns. I think they're trying to make it seem like owning gun is a privilege. It's a right you have from birth in this country.
     
  6. orygunmike

    orygunmike Beaverton, OR Active Member

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    is that ...

    it is never...never...ever .... appropriate to fire a warning shot.

    Ever.

    Firing a "warning shot" is using lethal force. It doesn't matter where the gun was aimed or your intent. It will be seen as use of deadly force. Thus, you will need to demonstrate that you had legal justification for using deadly force.

    If you did NOT have reason to use deadly force, you are in deep doo-doo as this man is in.

    If you DID have legal justification to use deadly force, which meant that you or another innocent person was in immediate, imminent danger of death or grave bodily harm, you should not be wasting ammo or time with warning shots.

    Unfortunately this guy appears to have gotten it wrong and will pay a substantial price.

    Know the law.

     
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  7. ThePhonMan

    ThePhonMan Spokanistan Gold Supporter Gold Supporter

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    His defense should be, “I was operating under the specific direction of the Vice President of the United States”.

    And then call Joe Biden as an “expert witness”.

    This will not end well for him in the current climate. I'm sure the media will play it up as another madman with a gun.
     
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  8. orygunmike

    orygunmike Beaverton, OR Active Member

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    I like the approach .... *chuckle* ....although I think he would stand a better chance with that defense had he used a double barrel shotgun.

    We could call it .... "The Biden Defense" ... .which would no doubt go down in history with the likes of the "Twinkie Defense"...

     
  9. evltwn

    evltwn Gold Hill Oregon Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    No story here. The guy was running away, posing no threat. Poor choice by the homeowner. Too bad, actually.
     
  10. wakejoe

    wakejoe Beaverton, OR Well-Known Member

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    Pretty sure he ran away after the shot was fired.
     
  11. mancat

    mancat Kitsap County Well-Known Member

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    Man defended himself from a criminal adequately, now he is the criminal.

    Lesson: in the eyes of the police and the state, SOMEONE is always the criminal. It seems that it's literally impossible for them to respond to a call nowadays without finding a crime and someone to charge with it - notice how I phrased that.

    bubblegum these Medford police.
     
  12. speeddemon94

    speeddemon94 The Rogue Well-Known Member

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    I agree, Medford cops can be pretty rotten. Jackson County however are a good bunch, for the most part. Too bad he was in city limits.
     
  13. razormanxx

    razormanxx eugene Active Member

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    Medford was pretty bad 20 years ago, not sure about now. Back in 1992 and 93 , I got pulled over by the police 22 times, searched my vehicle 4 times. Out of all these stops and searches, I think I got 2 brake light fix it tickets, and 1 headlight out ticket. It also seemed like there were a lot of patrol cars, with nothing better to do.
     
  14. Father of four

    Father of four Portland, Oregon Well-Known Member

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    Yeah, did the guy hurt anyone? Did he cause someones property to be damaged? If so does the property owner want to prosecute?

    How about just giving the guy a warning? Cops used to do that, hey the good cops still do.
     
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  15. Father of four

    Father of four Portland, Oregon Well-Known Member

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    Yep, would be a totally different story if it was a cop. Cops can shoot criminals in the back. We civilians can not.
     
  16. ocarolan

    ocarolan Portland, Oregon Well-Known Member

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    This is why most schools teach us to seek verbal compliance.

    Personally I took back the guns I gave my parents, exactly to avoid this scenario. Until my parents and family complete proper training to a DH1-type level, I don't want them running around giving warning shots, firing at the leg or not seeking verbal compliance.
     
  17. speeddemon94

    speeddemon94 The Rogue Well-Known Member

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    Cops can fire warning shots as well.
     
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    clearconscience Vancouver, WA Well-Known Member

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    I would agree with one of the first posts, my dad started taking me shooting around 6-7 years old. He always told me if you ever have to pull a gun on someone make sure you kill them.
    That always stuck with me more than anything.
     
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  19. Grunwald

    Grunwald Out of that nut job colony of Seattle, WA Well-Known Member

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    Those cops that shut up the pickup truck driven by the old ladies down in SoCal, did they get disarmed?
     
  20. gunnails

    gunnails Hillsboro Active Member

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    Should of kept his mouth shut, asked for a lawyer, he totally incriminated himself.

    Could of claimed later that it was a negligent discharge. Or forced the state to prove otherwise.
     
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