I have two pair of these that are in good shape. They were a size 34 until an unfortunate washing machine incident. They now fit like a 32 and I'm not that skinny. They are fairly thick and plenty warm. I usually just wear them and a pair of boxers(no freeballing in these I swear) during elk season in the snow. $20 each or would trade for some .223/5.56 ammo. I have a third pair that needs some work on the buttons that is free if you buy the other two pairs.