Oregon Michael Strickland, guilty of 21 counts

[Lantraxco]

Nope. Bad decision.

One member of a jury is enough to acquit. Having a judge only has no bearing on appeal. The verdict is not appealable, only the process is and the judge was on the hook for that anyway.

A fool for a client and a fool for the lawyer.

Hung jury gets you a mistrial, or a bench decision anyway. Denial of change of venue is part of the process and the decision to ask for a bench trial is supportive of the defense's position that they could not get a fair trial by jury due to bias and media tainting. You gotta play the hand you're dealt.

 

[Koda]

What if the judge corrupted the trial?

 

[Goosebrown]

Hung jury gets you a mistrial, or a bench decision anyway. Denial of change of venue is part of the process and the decision to ask for a bench trial is supportive of the defense's position that they could not get a fair trial by jury due to bias and media tainting. You gotta play the hand you're dealt.

Hung jury gets another trial with the possibility of getting the video back in evidence. At best it's an Acquital. There's no reason at this point to claim there wasn't a fair trial. No appeal even if he had the money.

 

[Martini_Up]

It sucks he was found guilty. It really sucks. But in the end if he really did fear for his life and valued that life enough to contemplate taking another for it then he should be happy he is alive... even in jail for a while.

Then again there is the whole Patrick Henry way of thinking.

 

[Koda]

Portland cop's threats after off-duty poker game get him fired

 

[Who The F R U]

In your first post you said random Azholes ... I was pointing out that it's not random at all.
You are asked questions and interviewed by the lawyers in the case.
You are selected. ( or not if you don't "fit)
It is not a random pick when you need to be on a actual jury.

It could argued that the selection for jury duty is random.
But serving on a jury is not.
And pointing out that I was on a jury and not a " random Azhole"....
Andy

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Your taking it personally when I said Random Ahole.
I wasn't calling you an Ahole I was trying to make the point of
being one's Peer.
And that is "why they have jury selection".
AFTER the fact they send you a letter for jury duty.= Random A-hole.
99% of the time people that are chosen for that duty are not truly one's peer.
Just people from the same area.
That was the point,The system is F-d and everyone knows it it's.
I feel bad for this guy, I'm also under the impression never pull a gun unless it's going to go bang.
I don't believe in show of force to deescalate a situation. But that's just me.

 

[Andy54Hawken]

The jury system is not random in my experience.
And it is made of peers.
Those who are about the same background as you , since no one can be truly equal to one another.
We are just going to have to disagree ...

Andy

 

[Who The F R U]

The jury system is not random in my experience.
We are just going to have to disagree ...

Andy

So you would consider yourself a peer of the person's you had to judge.
I don't get it.
Same type of background, experience, Job ,Social status ?

 

[Andy54Hawken]

Yes.
We the jury had a lot in common with the folks involved on both cases I was on.

Being on a jury which I have been on twice,
I can say and will say it is not random!
I did not say it ( the legal system ) was messed up. You did.
Now since you and I are never going agree .... Do not ask me about this again.

We are just going to have to disagree.
Andy

 

[Who The F R U]

I like it when people get offended in a conversation then they wont explain themselves.
Kind the whole point of a conversation.
I do like the condescending thing makes me think I'm dumb and you are correct without an explanation.
Makes me think the other person has no valid point or cant articulate it.

 

[Andy54Hawken]

We are peers on a jury.
We the jury are made up of folks who have similar backgrounds and experiences.
One is interviewed by the both lawyers about relevant matters to see if you are indeed a peer.
I explained this in my first posting on this matter.
Andy

 

[Provincial]

When they said a "jury of ones peers" they considering recent history (at that time) and wanted to ensure that a jury was to be selected randomly of citizens. This was to prevent a "commoner" from being judged by a group of aristocrats, and vice versa. Every prosecutor tries to subvert this in the selection process, and every defense attorney does too! The big problem is when the jury pool consists predominately of citizens with a similar world-view. That precludes selecting an objective cross-section of jury members. The jurors are supposed to set aside their personal views and act objectively, but that is an ideal, rather than a realistic goal.

 

[Koda]

for those of you interested in learning more about the Michael Strickland case tonight at 7pm on Armed American Radio the Mike Strickland travesty will be discussed by Kevin Starrett followed by Victoria Taft at 7:30. tune in.

Armed American Radio

Tonight at 7pm on Armed American Radio... - Oregon Firearms Federation | Facebook

 

[Garg]

PST, or EST?

 

[nammac]

PST, or EST?

I would guess PST...

 

[RicInOR]

Protests erupt after videos show off-duty LAPD officer firing gun in dispute with teens...



I am going to go with: "but the officer will not be charged"

 

[Lantraxco]

Protests erupt after videos show off-duty LAPD officer firing gun in dispute with teens...



I am going to go with: "but the officer will not be charged"

Because the officer should not be charged. Just like Strickland should not have been.

 

[bbbass]

Protests erupt after videos show off-duty LAPD officer firing gun in dispute with teens...
I am going to go with: "but the officer will not be charged"

Shoot em all!!!

 

[Spad]

How come none of the "protesters" who were threatening the officer were arrested, same with the Portland gang?.....Spad

 

[tionico]

How come none of the "protesters" who were threatening the officer were arrested, same with the Portland gang?.....Spad

questions I posed after the Portland debacle.

If those clowns were shoving (assault), threatening with poles, (brandishing) etc, WHY were not any of them charged? Oh, I forgot, sorry HOW silly of me. They were in their safe spaces and could not bear to have their widdow psyches harmed.....