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Mexican leader says U.S. shares blame for casino attack that killed 52

Discussion in 'Legal & Political Archive' started by Sun195, Aug 27, 2011.

  1. Sun195

    Sun195 Pugetropolis, WA Well-Known Member

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    More of this garbage:

    Then, later in the article...

    Because, you know, our gun laws are so lax they sell grenades down at the 7-11 now (buy two, get a free slurpee)

    My family used to vacation down in Mexico frequently & spent a lot of money there. No more - as if the violence wasn't enough to dissuade me from visiting, the "blame game" makes me not want to go there even more. There are plenty of other places to visit.
     
  2. jdub75

    jdub75 PNW Well-Known Member

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    sounds just like on of our American politicos-blaming everyone else but themselves for situations they cannot or will not step up to correct. Somehow (like here) it keeps the people focused on blaming others as well, so the politician keeps his job...
     
  3. drew

    drew OR Well-Known Member

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    Hasn't this violence really escalated under Calderon's administration? Hasn't he been blaming the US for their cartel violence since he took office? If your tactics aren't working shouldn't you take a look at them?

    The last bit of the article makes it seem there's some Mexicans who are less than thrilled with the job he's done. Maybe they'll pick a leader who does something more effective than whining about their neighbor's laws.
     
  4. pokerace

    pokerace Newberg Well-Known Member

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    the only guns down there from the US were sent there by BATF..
     
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  5. Sun195

    Sun195 Pugetropolis, WA Well-Known Member

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    Another take on this situation from Foreign Policy:

     
  6. Stomper

    Stomper Oceania Rising White Is The New Brown Silver Supporter

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    Gee whiz... the Mexican crime rate couldn't have ANYTHING to do with the fact that the elitist "Haves" run the place, and have locked the "Have Nots" out of the political process. Did you know that Mexico REQUIRES that its citizens OWN LAND before they can get a passport? That's one of the contributing factors for illegal immigration... how can a "Have Not" who may be a TOTAL ASSET to the USA start the legal immigration process without a passport? Simple answer, they can't... and that is by Mexican elitist design.

    They (the elitist) have also made it very difficult if not impossible for the "Have Nots" to defend themselves with all the restrictive gun laws... what good is a rusty old .38 special revolver from the 50's-60's against more modern weapons that the thugs regularly get? Good for next to nothing.

    Maybe the Mexican crime scene is caused by the fiefdom the elite "haves" set up in the beginning of Mexico's history and is starting to come around full-circle on them... it could (and will) lead to something beyond their worst nightmare, worse than another Castro or that putz in Venezuela.
     
  7. Gunner3456

    Gunner3456 Salem Well-Known Member

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    I always stock up on grenades and select-fire AK's when I'm in El Paso, Tx. There are BATF agents on the street corners who just give them to me.
     
  8. titsonritz

    titsonritz has left the building. Well-Known Member

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    That coming from one of the most corrupt governments the world has ever seen. ESAD!!
     
  9. pokerace

    pokerace Newberg Well-Known Member

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    You can bet the ANTI'S will be all ove this story ...
     
  10. DERGLOCKINMEISTER

    DERGLOCKINMEISTER SPRINGFIELD OREGON Member

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    Not a shot fired and yet somehow the "gunmen" killed 52 people because of the evil assault weapons they bought in the US.
    I hope I hear an anti quote this story because it will be fun to make an a** out of them and their argument . How about trading them
    guns for their police for barrels of oil ? win win I think .
     
  11. Gunner3456

    Gunner3456 Salem Well-Known Member

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    How about just turning the whole country into a glass parking lot? :)
     
  12. dmancornell

    dmancornell Portland, OR New Member

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    That guy is half right, the US drug prohibition drives much of the Mexican cartel violence.
     
  13. Gunner3456

    Gunner3456 Salem Well-Known Member

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    No, our lack of sealing our borders and keeping the drugs out, thereby killing the market for the drugs feeds the cartels.
     
  14. dmancornell

    dmancornell Portland, OR New Member

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    LOL, implying any amount of border security can keep the drugs out, because you know the government is so efficient at everything it does.

    Also, lowering the supply in a market only drives up prices and has no effect on the demand. Economics 101.
     
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  15. Smoke It

    Smoke It northwest New Member

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    he sounds just like our presidente
     
  16. Gunner3456

    Gunner3456 Salem Well-Known Member

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    So we should just give up as we have and get overrun by drugs, gangs, and other illegals.

    Great.
     
  17. Smoke It

    Smoke It northwest New Member

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    Hold on now Sean Penn thinks that putz in Venezuelais a Great Man
     
  18. dmancornell

    dmancornell Portland, OR New Member

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    Give up on a futile, immoral and unconstitutional drug war that preys on innocents so politicians and religious prudes can get their rocks off telling other people how to behave? YES, YES, A MILLION TIMES YES.

    Here's an idea, end the drug prohibition and let people make their own choices about what to ingest into their own bodies. The drug cartels go away due to lack of financial incentive, and the illegals won't die in the hundreds out in the desert hauling drugs.
     
  19. Gunner3456

    Gunner3456 Salem Well-Known Member

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    Only futile when we're puzzies about it.

    By who's standards?

    Where?

    Last I knew dealing drugs and most possession was a felony.

    Who are elected to represent the wishes of the majority

    There are a lot more than religious people who oppose drug legalization. Also I don't think this is the place to criticize religious people.

    No one is "getting his rocks off" telling others how to behave. People hold beliefs about what's best for society. Drugs are a blight on society.

    If what they did affected only their own bodies, maybe, but drug addicts are a real problem for society.

    They would also go away if they couldn't get their drugs into the states.

    I would say that people make choices. If they die, it's their own fault especially if they are illegally in another country committing a felony. They know the danger when they start out.
     
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  20. dmancornell

    dmancornell Portland, OR New Member

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    Because $11 billion a year isn't enough.

    Sane people who know the government has no right to tell people what to do in their own homes?

    The drug war was "justified" by the interstate commerce clause, which is a gross misreading of original intent. The modern SCOTUS is nothing more than enablers of government abuse.

    Last I knew the bureaucratic law is full of garbage laws enacted by power-mad politicians.

    Implying the tyranny of the majority is moral in any way whatsoever.

    Sure, besides the religious prudes, there's also power-tripping cops, the law-and-order sheeple, the alcohol and tobacco lobbies, and other people who stupidly believe in government propaganda.

    That's why all those European countries who decriminalized drugs are being wrecked by crime... oh wait, they're not.

    And don't kid yourself, the bureaucrats can preach all about how they are "saving society" with their idiotic laws and regulations, but the truth is they enjoy wielding power over others. That's the basis of all government throughout history, the desire of a small group of deviants who seek out and hoard power for emotional satisfaction.

    Drugs became a blight on society only after government imposed prohibition and drove the market underground, resulting in increased crime. Yet another case of government masquerading as the solution to a problem of its own creation.

    HAHAHAHA, the US stops what, 5% of incoming drugs? And that's after spending huge amounts of money and diminishing returns has already kicked in. Feel free to come back to reality any time.

    Indeed it is their choice to make, but of course, the US could also choose to stop their unconstitutional war, which would save billions of dollars, thousands of lives, and most importantly, get the drug fearmongers to finally shut the F.U.C.K. up.
     
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