Mexican leader says U.S. shares blame for casino attack that killed 52

[Sun195]

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But in unprecedented, direct criticism of the United States, Calderón said lax U.S. gun laws and high demand for drugs stoked his nation's violence.

He called on the United States to "once and for all, stop the criminal sale of high-powered weapons and assault rifles to criminals that operate in Mexico.

Then, later in the article...

On Wednesday, gunmen threw a grenade at a casino in the city of Saltillo in northern Coahuila state.

Because, you know, our gun laws are so lax they sell grenades down at the 7-11 now (buy two, get a free slurpee)

My family used to vacation down in Mexico frequently & spent a lot of money there. No more - as if the violence wasn't enough to dissuade me from visiting, the "blame game" makes me not want to go there even more. There are plenty of other places to visit.

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[jdub75]

sounds just like on of our American politicos-blaming everyone else but themselves for situations they cannot or will not step up to correct. Somehow (like here) it keeps the people focused on blaming others as well, so the politician keeps his job...

 

[drew]

Hasn't this violence really escalated under Calderon's administration? Hasn't he been blaming the US for their cartel violence since he took office? If your tactics aren't working shouldn't you take a look at them?

The last bit of the article makes it seem there's some Mexicans who are less than thrilled with the job he's done. Maybe they'll pick a leader who does something more effective than whining about their neighbor's laws.

 

[pokerace]

the only guns down there from the US were sent there by BATF..

 

[Sun195]

Another take on this situation from Foreign Policy:

The total impunity that reigns in Mexico -- due to the failure of police and security forces to maintain any semblance of trustworthy authority, the dragging speed of reform in the police forces, and the absence of any investigative capacity or will whatsoever -- is responsible for this atrocity. And Calderón's inability to admit fault or honestly describe the sorry state of his signature initiative is exactly what is making it so difficult for him to convince Mexicans of anything, including the notion that his party should remain in office next year.

 

[Stomper]

Gee whiz... the Mexican crime rate couldn't have ANYTHING to do with the fact that the elitist "Haves" run the place, and have locked the "Have Nots" out of the political process. Did you know that Mexico REQUIRES that its citizens OWN LAND before they can get a passport? That's one of the contributing factors for illegal immigration... how can a "Have Not" who may be a TOTAL ASSET to the USA start the legal immigration process without a passport? Simple answer, they can't... and that is by Mexican elitist design.

They (the elitist) have also made it very difficult if not impossible for the "Have Nots" to defend themselves with all the restrictive gun laws... what good is a rusty old .38 special revolver from the 50's-60's against more modern weapons that the thugs regularly get? Good for next to nothing.

Maybe the Mexican crime scene is caused by the fiefdom the elite "haves" set up in the beginning of Mexico's history and is starting to come around full-circle on them... it could (and will) lead to something beyond their worst nightmare, worse than another Castro or that putz in Venezuela.

 

[Gunner3456]

I always stock up on grenades and select-fire AK's when I'm in El Paso, Tx. There are BATF agents on the street corners who just give them to me.

 

[titsonritz]

That coming from one of the most corrupt governments the world has ever seen. ESAD!!

 

[pokerace]

You can bet the ANTI'S will be all ove this story ...

 

[DERGLOCKINMEISTER]

Not a shot fired and yet somehow the "gunmen" killed 52 people because of the evil assault weapons they bought in the US.
I hope I hear an anti quote this story because it will be fun to make an a** out of them and their argument . How about trading them
guns for their police for barrels of oil ? win win I think .

 

[Gunner3456]

How about just turning the whole country into a glass parking lot?

 

[dmancornell]

That guy is half right, the US drug prohibition drives much of the Mexican cartel violence.

 

[Gunner3456]

That guy is half right, the US drug prohibition drives much of the Mexican cartel violence.

No, our lack of sealing our borders and keeping the drugs out, thereby killing the market for the drugs feeds the cartels.

 

[dmancornell]

No, our lack of sealing our borders and keeping the drugs out, thereby killing the market for the drugs feeds the cartels.

LOL, implying any amount of border security can keep the drugs out, because you know the government is so efficient at everything it does.

Also, lowering the supply in a market only drives up prices and has no effect on the demand. Economics 101.

 

[Smoke It]

Hasn't this violence really escalated under Calderon's administration? Hasn't he been blaming the US for their cartel violence since he took office? If your tactics aren't working shouldn't you take a look at them?

The last bit of the article makes it seem there's some Mexicans who are less than thrilled with the job he's done. Maybe they'll pick a leader who does something more effective than whining about their neighbor's laws.

he sounds just like our presidente

 

[Gunner3456]

LOL, implying any amount of border security can keep the drugs out, because you know the government is so efficient at everything it does.

Also, lowering the supply in a market only drives up prices and has no effect on the demand. Economics 101.

So we should just give up as we have and get overrun by drugs, gangs, and other illegals.

Great.

 

[Smoke It]

Gee whiz... the Mexican crime rate couldn't have ANYTHING to do with the fact that the elitist "Haves" run the place, and have locked the "Have Nots" out of the political process. Did you know that Mexico REQUIRES that its citizens OWN LAND before they can get a passport? That's one of the contributing factors for illegal immigration... how can a "Have Not" who may be a TOTAL ASSET to the USA start the legal immigration process without a passport? Simple answer, they can't... and that is by Mexican elitist design.

They (the elitist) have also made it very difficult if not impossible for the "Have Nots" to defend themselves with all the restrictive gun laws... what good is a rusty old .38 special revolver from the 50's-60's against more modern weapons that the thugs regularly get? Good for next to nothing.

Maybe the Mexican crime scene is caused by the fiefdom the elite "haves" set up in the beginning of Mexico's history and is starting to come around full-circle on them... it could (and will) lead to something beyond their worst nightmare, worse than another Castro .

Hold on now Sean Penn thinks that putz in Venezuelais a Great Man

 

[dmancornell]

So we should just give up as we have and get overrun by drugs, gangs, and other illegals.

Great.

Give up on a futile, immoral and unconstitutional drug war that preys on innocents so politicians and religious prudes can get their rocks off telling other people how to behave? YES, YES, A MILLION TIMES YES.

Here's an idea, end the drug prohibition and let people make their own choices about what to ingest into their own bodies. The drug cartels go away due to lack of financial incentive, and the illegals won't die in the hundreds out in the desert hauling drugs.

 

[Gunner3456]

Give up on a futile,

Only futile when we're puzzies about it.

immoral

By who's standards?

and unconstitutional drug war

Where?

that preys on innocents

Last I knew dealing drugs and most possession was a felony.

so politicians

Who are elected to represent the wishes of the majority

and religious prudes

There are a lot more than religious people who oppose drug legalization. Also I don't think this is the place to criticize religious people.

can get their rocks off telling other people how to behave? YES.

No one is "getting his rocks off" telling others how to behave. People hold beliefs about what's best for society. Drugs are a blight on society.

Here's an idea, end the drug prohibition and let people make their own choices about what to ingest into their own bodies.

If what they did affected only their own bodies, maybe, but drug addicts are a real problem for society.

The drug cartels go away due to lack of financial incentive,

They would also go away if they couldn't get their drugs into the states.

and the illegals won't die in the hundreds out in the desert hauling drugs.

I would say that people make choices. If they die, it's their own fault especially if they are illegally in another country committing a felony. They know the danger when they start out.

 

[dmancornell]

Only futile when we're puzzies about it.

Because $11 billion a year isn't enough.

By who's standards?

Sane people who know the government has no right to tell people what to do in their own homes?

Where?

The drug war was "justified" by the interstate commerce clause, which is a gross misreading of original intent. The modern SCOTUS is nothing more than enablers of government abuse.

Last I knew dealing drugs and most possession was a felony.

Last I knew the bureaucratic law is full of garbage laws enacted by power-mad politicians.

Who are elected to represent the wishes of the majority

Implying the tyranny of the majority is moral in any way whatsoever.

There are a lot more than religious people who oppose drug legalization. Also I don't think this is the place to criticize religious people.

Sure, besides the religious prudes, there's also power-tripping cops, the law-and-order sheeple, the alcohol and tobacco lobbies, and other people who stupidly believe in government propaganda.

No one is "getting his rocks off" telling others how to behave. People hold beliefs about what's best for society. Drugs are a blight on society.

That's why all those European countries who decriminalized drugs are being wrecked by crime... oh wait, they're not.

And don't kid yourself, the bureaucrats can preach all about how they are "saving society" with their idiotic laws and regulations, but the truth is they enjoy wielding power over others. That's the basis of all government throughout history, the desire of a small group of deviants who seek out and hoard power for emotional satisfaction.

If what they did affected only their own bodies, maybe, but drug addicts are a real problem for society.

Drugs became a blight on society only after government imposed prohibition and drove the market underground, resulting in increased crime. Yet another case of government masquerading as the solution to a problem of its own creation.

They would also go away if they couldn't get their drugs into the states.

HAHAHAHA, the US stops what, 5% of incoming drugs? And that's after spending huge amounts of money and diminishing returns has already kicked in. Feel free to come back to reality any time.

I would say that people make choices. If they die, it's their own fault especially if they are illegally in another country committing a felony. They know the danger when they start out.

Indeed it is their choice to make, but of course, the US could also choose to stop their unconstitutional war, which would save billions of dollars, thousands of lives, and most importantly, get the drug fearmongers to finally shut the F.U.C.K. up.