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"Mexican Carry" racist? Maybe...

Discussion in 'General Firearm Discussion' started by CHLChris, Dec 16, 2012.

  1. CHLChris

    CHLChris Portland Metro East Love me some guns! Bronze Supporter

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    I've spent a few years in this forum discussing ways of carrying firearms. I've read the term, "Mexican Carry," which means a person carrying a handgun in their waist, near the front, without a holster. I never thought anything of it.

    Last night I was at a dinner party and somehow Plaxico Burress came up. Somebody told the basic story and added that he was carrying without a holster. I said, "Yeah, that's called Mexican carry." Well, across from me is a woman who I know grew up in Mexico.

    I'd never actually spoken the phrase, but when I did I was really struck by how it must have sounded to her. I turned to the woman and innocently asked, "Do you think that phrase is racist?" We discussed it for a bit and agreed that it sure sounded racist.

    I read this quote once:

    I don't know that I buy it, though. It sounds racist and so respectful firearms owners should consider another term.

    What do y'all think?
     
  2. samuelm16

    samuelm16 se pdx Well-Known Member

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    Cholo carry works
     
  3. Ben Beckerich

    Ben Beckerich NW Oregon Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    Mexico isn't a race.
     
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  4. idRATHERbeOUTDOORS

    idRATHERbeOUTDOORS Yamhill County Active Member

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    It's racist alright. :nono:
    Just like French kissing, Mexican food, and Chinese Fire drills.

    Out of respect I'll call it "Latino Carry".

    LOL
     
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  5. Ben Beckerich

    Ben Beckerich NW Oregon Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    Let me expound upon this... Mexico isn't a race, it's a place. Specifically, it's a nation, and people born and otherwise accepted as having special, permanent status in that country are known as nationals of the place- Mexicans. Mexicans, like people of many nationalities, are many races... various forms and mixes of Caucasians, Negros, and Asians.

    Mexico isn't a race, nor does "Mexican" denote any race.

    Therefor, "Mexican carry" cannot, in any way, shape, or form, be a racist term.
     
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  6. CHLChris

    CHLChris Portland Metro East Love me some guns! Bronze Supporter

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    But to racists, the term Mexican can refer to anybody born south of the US border. Don't be dull.

    Any thoughtful responses?
     
  7. Ben Beckerich

    Ben Beckerich NW Oregon Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    Would "American carry" be racist?
     
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  8. Ben Beckerich

    Ben Beckerich NW Oregon Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    I have nothing to do with some ignorant jackwad's confusion between race and nationality. Nor will I humor such ignorance. It's not a racist term, and that's all there is to it.
     
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  9. nwwoodsman

    nwwoodsman Vernonia Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter 2015 Volunteer

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    Yes, that's a horribly racist statement. You should also never say a restaurant serves Mexican food, refer to Cinco de Mayo as a Mexican holiday, or refer to people born in Mexico as Mexicans. I'm sure you would be just as offended if someone said that baseball was an American pass time, that McDonalds serves American style food or the absolute worst, refer to you as an American.
     
  10. nwwoodsman

    nwwoodsman Vernonia Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter 2015 Volunteer

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    No, usually they use a much more "colorful" term for people south of the border with brown skin. Usually a bigot will only call someone a Mexican out of ignorance because they don't realize that there is more than one country south of the United States.
     
  11. Jammer Six

    Jammer Six North Greenlake, Seattle New Member

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    This is America. We have a sports team named the "Washington Redskins."

    Don't worry about the hangnail, worry about torn, spouting artery.

    The other point is that Ayoob saying that "Mexican carry" isn't racist doesn't carry much weight-- he's not Mexian, he's a cop and he's not an expert at race relations.
     
  12. ShootFirst

    ShootFirst Southern Oregon Active Member

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    Racism isn’t born, folks, it’s taught.
    - Denis Leary



    Racism is man’s gravest threat to man – the maximum of hatred for a minimum of reason.
     
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  13. Ben Beckerich

    Ben Beckerich NW Oregon Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    If you want to debate about whether it's an offensive term, do that. But whether or not "Mexican carry" is a racist term is NOT an debatable argument- it's simply NOT a racist term. I'm sorry to pop your attempt at arousal, bro- but facts are facts.

    Either way, it's ridiculous to be offended about this BS. Get off the sensitivity crap. In climbing, we have a thing called the "American death triangle." Am I offended by that phrase? No.
     
  14. MrNiceGuy

    MrNiceGuy between springfield and shelbyville Well-Known Member

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    I've always thought that the "dark" side of the moon sounded too racist. Segregation much?
    By extension, Pink Floyd is a racist band.
     
  15. MrNiceGuy

    MrNiceGuy between springfield and shelbyville Well-Known Member

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    I've always thought that the "dark" side of the moon sounded too racist. Segregation much?
    By extension, Pink Floyd is a racist band.

    Don't even get me started on the blatant racism of the NAACP.
    You'd be plain shocked by what the "C" stands for
     
  16. nwwoodsman

    nwwoodsman Vernonia Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter 2015 Volunteer

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    The fact that they would refer to Floyd as "pink" is what really bothers me.
     
  17. andreys21

    andreys21 Milwaukie, OR Active Member

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    People need to get over themselves. With all due respect to diversity of this great nation and everyone on these forums: racism works both ways weather it has positive or negative effects and it's not right either way. NAACP no longer has a purpose other than spend all day long looking around for people and companies to pick on. Affirmative action is based on racism. Coined terms such as Mexican carry, American carry or African carry are what they are, COINED TERMS. Weather or not these terms are derogatory is another question. Let's just call things what they are and stop worrying about being politically correct, because people make a big deal about things like this IMPLIES that somehow it's an issue. As long as people make it an issue, the problem of RACISM WILL NOT GO AWAY OR SOLVE ITSELF.
     
  18. Boomerang

    Boomerang Portland area Active Member

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    When the OP asked if it was racist, what he meant to ask is: "is it pejorative toward those of Mexican nationality (whatever race they are)".

    Instead of attacking his accidental misuse of terms, we could answer the question he meant to ask. :rolleyes:
     
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  19. CHLChris

    CHLChris Portland Metro East Love me some guns! Bronze Supporter

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    Exactly! Thanks for the help. Is the term pejorative to Mexicans? Mexican food just describes a type of good food. Since carrying without a holster is in most cases pretty stupid, maybe cheap, certainly dangerous, are these the reasons we call it "Mexican carry"?

    If so we should come up with a new term. If not, then I just need to get over it and use the phrase with pride.
     
  20. Ben Beckerich

    Ben Beckerich NW Oregon Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    Accidental misuse? Sorry, bro... I've had waaaaay too many conversations with people who don't have any idea that there is a difference, let alone what it is, between race and nationality, and what the implications be of either, to make your suggested assumption of what he was asking.
     
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