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Meeting with Rep Finn to discuss 9.41.250 and silencer bill. (Updated)

Discussion in 'NFA Weapon Discussion' started by Ranb, Oct 27, 2010.

  1. Ranb

    Ranb Belfair, WA Active Member

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    I am planning on meeting with Representative Finn at the Bremerton Airport Diner on November 2 at 10 am. I plan on talking to him about RCW 9.41.250(c), the new silencer bill and how we plan on asking the AG about legal options to reduce noise at rifle ranges.

    Anyone want to join me?

    Randy
     
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    spengo GLORIOUS CASCADIA Active Member

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    I want to, but it is a bit far away for me. I am considering moving up to Camas sometime soon to be closer to work. How can I get involved in the fight for suppressor rights around Vancouver or Camas?
     
  3. Ranb

    Ranb Belfair, WA Active Member

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    Write to and meet with your Representative and Senator. Ask them what they ware willing to do to make it legal to reduce the noise at rifle ranges. RCW 9.41.250(c) makes it illegal to use any device to reduce the noise of a firearm, whether it is attached or not. Rifle ranges in WA can be sued by people who move in close to them. These people complain about the noise, but the rifle range is not allowed to do anything to lower the noise level other than to stop shooting due to the law.

    You may have to be very persistent to find out why they will not support a silencer bill. It took me a long time to find out from mine, and it took a face to face meeting. Politicians like to sit on the fence on anything that is not popular.

    Not a single Representative was willing to make any attempt at getting bill 1604 a hearing in the House judiciary committee last session. This includes the bill sponsors. If your representatives say they support efforts to reduce noise, then ask them why they let bill 1604 die year after year. They will probably say it is not their job, that it is the bill sponsors job, but that is a poor excuse. If they say they do not support noise reduction, then they should have a good reason why, and evidence to support it.

    So far none of the legislators have been able to show me any evidence that silencers are bad for the state. It is prejudice plan and simple.

    Ranb
     
  4. spengo

    spengo GLORIOUS CASCADIA Active Member

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    Perhaps if any of the NRA endorsed candidates win we could bring it up with them.
     
  5. mxitman

    mxitman N. Seattle Member

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    Right on RanB, You sure have been kicking butt working on this stuff, it's too bad we don't have reps working this hard for us.
     
  6. Ranb

    Ranb Belfair, WA Active Member

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    mxitman, what kind of replies did you get from your Senator and Representatives when you wrote to them?

    Ranb
     
  7. Ranb

    Ranb Belfair, WA Active Member

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    I met with Representative Finn along with an FFL/gun club member today. It went well. The main topic was the letter I asked him to write to the AG asking for clarification on what noise reduction devices would be legal to use in WA. We discussed various methods (shooting box, insulated rooms) and discussed which ones were currently in use (berms and baffles) in WA. Pictures of baffles and shooting boxes were provided. I also gave him copies of letters/e-mail from the local prosecuting attorney, the former AG assistant and the current AG assistant regarding other attempts at obtaining opinions on the law. We also discussed state and federal law as it pertained to noise reduction.

    We also discussed the new silencer use bill. I provided a copy of RCW 9.41.250 and bill 1604 and explained what each meant. I showed him copies of an ATF form 1 and explained the procedure for obtaining ATF authorization to make or buy a silencer. We discussed how effective (and ineffective) silencers were at reducing noise, the consequences of violating federal law and how WA was the only one of the 37 states that allows ownership by unlicensed civilians but prohibits use.

    Finn was less blunt than Pedersen and Haigh (I like blunt politicians) but seemed receptive to our ideas on silencer use. He has agreed to write a letter to the AG. I think he will not oppose our efforts to pass a silencer use bill, but I am not sure if he will tell the Judiciary chairman that the bill is a priority. He also said he is not confident that he will be re-elected.

    Ranb
     
  8. AMProducts

    AMProducts Maple Valley, WA Jerk, Ammo Manufacturer Silver Supporter

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    County Results
    Last updated on 11/4/2010 5:14 PM
    Legislative District 35, State Representative Pos. 2 (Partisan office, 2-year term)
    Grays Harbor*, Kitsap*, Mason, Thurston*
    Candidate Vote Vote %
    Fred Finn
    (Prefers Democratic Party)
    22,084 53.40 %
    Linda Simpson
    (Prefers Republican Party)
    19,275 46.60 %
    Total Votes 41,359



    Looks like he may get lucky. I just watched the electorate pull the control rods out of my state and expect supercriticality to become runaway within the year.
     
  9. Ranb

    Ranb Belfair, WA Active Member

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    I have been trying to get an update from Finn on the status of his letter. No answer so far.

    Ranb
     
  10. Ranb

    Ranb Belfair, WA Active Member

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    I just got off the phone with Representatives Finn's aide. He did write, but the AG refused to give an opinion. It had something to do with the request not being appropriate for an opinion. This sucks. I can't think of any other way to find out what the law actually means other than hearing what the judge and jury say to me if I was to get arrested for breaking it. And that is something I am not willing to do. This is just another reason why WA sucks.

    Anyone have any ideas? Thanks.

    Ranb
     
  11. SonicBlue03

    SonicBlue03 Snohomish Well-Known Member

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    My wife works with Inslee once a year during the Service Academy interviews with congressional representatives. I'll ask her to broach it to see if he's receptive to a discussion about it. She's a former pistol instructor and Navy grad, and she's worked with him and his team successfully for a few years.
     
  12. Ranb

    Ranb Belfair, WA Active Member

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    I know Inslee used to be a mouthpiece for the Brady Campaign, but anyone who is willing to ask the AG for an opinion is good enough. If the AG gets several requests, he might give in.

    If possible, the request needs to worded in terms of how we can make rifle ranges less noisy and more friendly to the surrounding area instead of a gun control issue. Thanks and let me know how it goes.

    Ranb
     
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    SonicBlue03 Snohomish Well-Known Member

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    He didn't make it to the event today, but all of his staffers were there. We'll see if the message is relayed or not. Probably not. You know how staffers are.
     
  14. Ranb

    Ranb Belfair, WA Active Member

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    Staffers=filters.

    Ranb
     
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    wichaka Wa State Well-Known Member

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    I know the Asst. AG John Wasberg, and can forward what you want to him to get an opinion. I stated his response to WA law as it reads now in another thread.

    So let me know what you're wanting.
     
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    Ranb Belfair, WA Active Member

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    Here is the letter I am going to send to Senator Sheldon on Monday. It sums up what I want and the reasons for it. It needs to be a formal opinion and they are only given to members of the legislature, prosecutors and others in the state government.

    Ranb
     
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    Ranb Belfair, WA Active Member

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    Representative Finn said he made another request for an AG opinion. Maybe he will word it in a way that the AG finds acceptable. Finn also requested that I ask the ATF for their definition of a silencer; in other words he wanted to know if the feds would define a suppression device that was not attached to the gun as a silencer. It was one of those duh moments and I figured that the ATF would of course only define mufflers attached to the gun as silencers. The ATF for once used common sense and came through with a no nonsense answer.

    ATFsilencerletterpg1a.jpg

    Ranb