Meet your preparedness minded neighbor here

[gmerkt]

I am very serious about my preparations for a severe economic downturn and such.

Yeah, I've been a half-assed survivalist since the 1970's, still waiting for The Big Bang to happen.

Beans for breakfast, beans for lunch, beans for dinner. That'd get old real fast. I'd be ready for a 9mm bullet in the head sooner than later.

My neighbors on inhabited lots, I've kinda got a read on them:

1. The one I talk to most, on the west, has allowed that he's got a .357 Magnum and he seems resourceful and concerned.

2. On my northern boundary, there is a Mormon family with seven kids. They are probably ready to some degree.

3. To my east, there is a fellow whom I know is armed; when they first moved in, I saw a gun safe in one room. He's pretty resourceful; he's helped me with a couple of things during snow storms. He's got cameras everywhere.

4. Another couple to my west, they are no. California transplants, kinda modernists but they keep a garden every year so maybe they have some awareness.

5. Across the road is a fellow the same age as our son, about 45. He bought a house in the neighborhood as an adult. They were associates in grade school. He has every toy in the universe, including quads, boats, etc., so I'm sure he has some firearms over there.

I've lived here for 37 years, so I'm pretty well dug in.

 

[ma96782]

Well......get your hats ready?!?!?!



Aloha, Mark

 

[357 MAX]

yes lots and lots of tinfoil

 

[Howard1955]

Well......get your hats ready?!?!?!

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Aloha, Mark

Okie-doke.

 

[Burt Gummer]

 

[Bacchus]

Lots of discussion here about increasing survival strength by making some level of alliance with the neighbors. I'm considering that it may be more important to use neighbors as a resource for communications and not for communal food sharing. If all the neighbors have the same handheld radio (GMRS or ham, for example) some plan or organized periodic calling might work. I'm going to look hard at this as soon as "radio" bubbles to the top of my to do list. I have a little knowledge already, and I am looking forward to going through the many radio threads on this site to expand my knowledge. I might get to that in six months.

But I agree it's a bad idea to broadcast too widely your food preparations. I have this foreboding scenario where in a crisis one neighbor steps up and self-appoints himself (or maybe was appointed by the feds) as "organizer" or "neighborhood focal point", and the first order of business is a registration of all collected foodstuffs; followed closely by a "community" food warehouse; followed closely by the Organizer deciding who "needs" what. No thanks!

So … I'm thinking radio. Neighbors can

1. Have a weekly call-in to discuss concerns.
2. Check up on each other (every house contacts the neighbors on both sides of their home; if you're on the end of the block you also contact the neighbor across the street, that way everybody checks two families and has two families checking on them. This can be done without radios if you live close enough.
3. Have some contingencies for alerts to external threats.

This is all off the top of my head that I'm just using for examples. I'm sure there are people here who are more experienced in these matters who have more well thought out ideas.

 

[robescc]

I'm in Northern Snohomish County.

 

[Caddywompus]

Any of the WA people want to meet up?

I'm in Lake city where r u?

 

[arakboss]

Maybe, or you just showed them whose doorstep to show up on when SHTF

for me mum's the word



What about the die-off of prepers with no concept of nutrition Have you seen foods with some propers stock?

Sugar, salty, bad fats preservatives Aunt Jamima, Crisco, Spam, salty canned soup, Mayonnaise I remember seeing one guy prepp'N 5 cases or tree top apple juice


......it's like a hypertension/diabetes start kit





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A bad diet will take many years to kill a person. As long as you get water, sufficient calories and take some vitamins and minerals you make it through SHTF long enough to get killed by roving gangs of looters.

 

[pdx210]

A bad diet will take many years to kill a person. As long as you get water, sufficient calories and take some vitamins and minerals you make it through SHTF long enough to get killed by roving gangs of looters.

Not really, let's assume most are using the sage advance to prep what they eat and they eat and most have the classic American processed food diet. Science has showing a prodiet and life style is a comorbidity.

Hypertension for example, its number one cause is lifestyle choices: Unhealthy diets, lack of physical activity, and excessive alcohol and contributes to..

• Heart attack

• Stroke

• Heart failure & sudden cartiac death

• Aneurysm

• Kidney disease/ failure

Hypertension, is a primary or contributing cause of around 685,875 deaths each mostly year driven by diet and lifestyle, the clock doesn't start when the SHTF. What happens when people live on MRE's and saltine crackers


Lets talk one of the many essental vitamins , vitamin D and and immune system. We now know there is correlation between many covid deaths of otherwise healthy people and vitamin D deficiency. It's estimated that 35% to 42% of Americans have a Vitamin D deficiency its a common nutritional deficiency in the United States. We arn't in SHTF yet.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10680994/

 

[arakboss]

Not really, let's assume most are using the sage advance to prep what they eat and they eat and most have the classic American processed food diet. Science has showing a prodiet and life style is a comorbidity.

Hypertension for example, its number one cause is lifestyle choices: Unhealthy diets, lack of physical activity, and excessive alcohol and contributes to..

• Heart attack
• Stroke
• Heart failure & sudden cartiac death
• Aneurysm
• Kidney disease/ failure

Hypertension, is a primary or contributing cause of around 685,875 deaths each mostly year driven by diet and lifestyle, the clock doesn't start when the SHTF. What happens when people live on MRE's and saltine crackers


Lets talk one of the many essental vitamins , vitamin D and and immune system. We now know there is correlation between many covid deaths of otherwise healthy people and vitamin D deficiency. It's estimated that 35% to 42% of Americans have a Vitamin D deficiency its a common nutritional deficiency in the United States. We arn't in SHTF yet.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10680994/

I have made it 53 years with bad diets, maybe my expiration is around the corner. Amazingly I also survived the China flu era without a single vaccine. Not sure if I am a Freak of nature or a Walking Miracle.

 

[pdx210]

I have made it 53 years with bad diets, maybe my expiration is around the corner. Amazingly I also survived the China flu era without a single vaccine. Not sure if I am a Freak of nature or a Walking Miracle.

My in law smokes two packs of cigs a day, has for over 50 years now no cancer yet, must be safe.

Many common foods are fortified with vitamins

• Bread- thiamin, niacin, riboflavin, folic acid, and iron are added to flour

• Fruit juice -some are enriched with Calcium. & Vitamin D:
• Milk.- vitamins A and/or D are added
• Salt- Iodine
• Rice- iron, folic acid and other B-complex vitamins, vitamin A and zinc

Even with fortified foods most people are not getting enough key nutrients in their diets

Calcium- Overall, more than 40% of the US population do not meet the calcium requirement from diet alone
Magnesium- 36% of children and adolescents and 61% of adults had intakes lower than the EAR for magnesium
Potassium- The US Dietary Guidelines 2015-2020 highlights potassium as a nutrient of public health concern because it is under consumed by Americans . US national surveys indicate that the vast majority of the US population do not meet intake recommendations for potassium.
Vitamin C- Dietary intake of vitamin C inadequacy among adults (43%) compared to children and adolescents (19%)
Vitamin D this study found higher inadequacy in the US population, with 81% of children and adolescents (age 2-18 years) and 95%


Meanwhile, Sodium we're doing great on is over-consumed by the US population: 90% of US adults had daily sodium intakes in excess of the Ul . Several surveys have found that more than 99% of US adults have intakes in excess of the AI for all age and gender groups examined


Its not like diet contributes at all to your health

Micronutrient Inadequacies in the US Population: an Overview

Contents Assessing Nutrient Intake US national dietary surveys Nutritional biomarkers Micronutrient Deficiencies and Inadequacies Shortfall Micronutrients Calcium Iron Magnesium Po

lpi.oregonstate.edu

 

[john103141]

I was thinking that since good preparation for the economic collapse and the other calamities that we may be facing require neighbors to come together, we should start meeting our like minded neighbors.

I am very serious about my preparations for a severe economic downturn and such. Anyone else in Oregon city/Beaver Creek thinking like this? Send me a PM and let's chat.

What about the rest of you? If you are interested in meeting your like minded neighbors considerleaving a note here.

Cyborg

Anybody from Shoreline area?

 

[Jbsheepdog]

My in law smokes two packs of cigs a day, has for over 50 years now no cancer yet, must be safe.

Many common foods are fortified with vitamins

• Bread- thiamin, niacin, riboflavin, folic acid, and iron are added to flour
• Fruit juice -some are enriched with Calcium. & Vitamin D:
• Milk.- vitamins A and/or D are added
• Salt- Iodine
• Rice- iron, folic acid and other B-complex vitamins, vitamin A and zinc

Even with fortified foods most people are not getting enough key nutrients in their diets

Calcium- Overall, more than 40% of the US population do not meet the calcium requirement from diet alone
Magnesium- 36% of children and adolescents and 61% of adults had intakes lower than the EAR for magnesium
Potassium- The US Dietary Guidelines 2015-2020 highlights potassium as a nutrient of public health concern because it is under consumed by Americans . US national surveys indicate that the vast majority of the US population do not meet intake recommendations for potassium.
Vitamin C- Dietary intake of vitamin C inadequacy among adults (43%) compared to children and adolescents (19%)
Vitamin D this study found higher inadequacy in the US population, with 81% of children and adolescents (age 2-18 years) and 95%


Meanwhile, Sodium we're doing great on is over-consumed by the US population: 90% of US adults had daily sodium intakes in excess of the Ul . Several surveys have found that more than 99% of US adults have intakes in excess of the AI for all age and gender groups examined


Its not like diet contributes at all to your health

Micronutrient Inadequacies in the US Population: an Overview

Contents Assessing Nutrient Intake US national dietary surveys Nutritional biomarkers Micronutrient Deficiencies and Inadequacies Shortfall Micronutrients Calcium Iron Magnesium Po

lpi.oregonstate.edu

They are fortified because when they are processed they are stripped of their nutrients. Milk is not raw, it's pasteurized which kills all the good bacteria and a lot of the nutrients. And bread is made with processed white bleached flour, not fresh ground.

 

[arakboss]

My in law smokes two packs of cigs a day, has for over 50 years now no cancer yet, must be safe.

Many common foods are fortified with vitamins

• Bread- thiamin, niacin, riboflavin, folic acid, and iron are added to flour
• Fruit juice -some are enriched with Calcium. & Vitamin D:
• Milk.- vitamins A and/or D are added
• Salt- Iodine
• Rice- iron, folic acid and other B-complex vitamins, vitamin A and zinc

Even with fortified foods most people are not getting enough key nutrients in their diets

Calcium- Overall, more than 40% of the US population do not meet the calcium requirement from diet alone
Magnesium- 36% of children and adolescents and 61% of adults had intakes lower than the EAR for magnesium
Potassium- The US Dietary Guidelines 2015-2020 highlights potassium as a nutrient of public health concern because it is under consumed by Americans . US national surveys indicate that the vast majority of the US population do not meet intake recommendations for potassium.
Vitamin C- Dietary intake of vitamin C inadequacy among adults (43%) compared to children and adolescents (19%)
Vitamin D this study found higher inadequacy in the US population, with 81% of children and adolescents (age 2-18 years) and 95%


Meanwhile, Sodium we're doing great on is over-consumed by the US population: 90% of US adults had daily sodium intakes in excess of the Ul . Several surveys have found that more than 99% of US adults have intakes in excess of the AI for all age and gender groups examined


Its not like diet contributes at all to your health

Micronutrient Inadequacies in the US Population: an Overview

Contents Assessing Nutrient Intake US national dietary surveys Nutritional biomarkers Micronutrient Deficiencies and Inadequacies Shortfall Micronutrients Calcium Iron Magnesium Po

lpi.oregonstate.edu

For those short on Potassium trying swapping in some nu-salt in place of some regular salt.

 

[ma96782]

Aloha, Mark

PS..........

 

[pdx210]

They are fortified because when they are processed they are stripped of their nutrients. Milk is not raw, it's pasteurized which kills all the good bacteria and a lot of the nutrients. And bread is made with processed white bleached flour, not fresh ground.

Pasteurizing reduces vitamins A, C, and enzymes. Ironically, Raw milk has only trace amounts of vitamin D. Pasteurized milk is fortified with about 100 IU of vitamin D per serving ( a cup). It's added because vitamin D is, among other things, key to absorbing calcium. People argue that the RDA for vitamin D is too low 400 IU for infants to 800 IU for older adults.

Even when fortified, many people are still not getting adequate nutrients in their diets right now. Not getting key nutrients isn't going to kill you on a day, week, or month, probably not, but we know that these deficiencies make people more vulnerable to health issues, infections, and slow healing.


Many preppers are stocking up on caloric-dense foods but are ignorant about the nutrient density of foods. As a result, their pantries are full of processed foods, high-salt, sugary foods, and canned foods/meats. Canned foods- The heat of canning destroys ⅓ to ½ of some essential vitamins, such as vitamin A, vitamin C, thiamine, and riboflavin. Canned foods lose 5 to 20% of their vitamin content per year, depending on the specific vitamin you are looking at.


Let's look at one vitamin A; vitamin A deficiency can cause vision loss, blindness, and complications in the skin, heart, lungs, tissues, and immune system.
Vitamin A deficiency begins to manifest within a few weeks to months, depending on the level of inadequate intake. You can't walk this off; you won't be okay with an acute vitamin A deficiency.


Maybe consider adding a good quality multivitamin supplement to your preps or an alternative way to get key nutrients like sprouting.