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Meaning of "Well regulated"

Discussion in 'Legal & Political Archive' started by brianjronk, Dec 20, 2012.

  1. brianjronk

    brianjronk Marysville, WA Active Member

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    So what's your opinion on what "well regulated militia" means. Now that militias aren't exactly as they were before, how does this translate to today?
     
  2. Sling Blade

    Sling Blade Yamhill County Well-Known Member

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    There's an older thread where this subject got beat to death for weeks - I'll see if I can find it for you.

    Edit: couldn't find it. IIRC, it seems the Supreme Court said that the part of the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed, superceeded the first part about a well regulated militia.

    Many posters chimed in, but that's what I got out of it.
     
  3. chariot13

    chariot13 Near Eugene/Springfield Well-Known Member

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    I believe it means 'a well armed militia that utilizes the tactics it takes to win'. Not stand in a line across from the enemy and walk at each other like a bunch of idiots, like the brits wanted. Standing toe to toe against a standing army that out numbers you was not the way we won.
     
  4. Sling Blade

    Sling Blade Yamhill County Well-Known Member

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    Actually major battles of the Revolutionary War were fought in line formation and/or using siege techniques. The idea that Americans used other tactics gained popularity due to TV shows and movies. Just saying.
     
  5. gunnails

    gunnails Hillsboro Active Member

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    I think it was pointed out that in the Oregon constitution, it requires all able body males between the ages of 18 and 45 to be defacto members of the mitlitia. So that makes me retired militia.
    Well regulated referred to well trained and supplied.

    The militia has morphed in to the National Guard.
     
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  6. WolfTastesLikeChicken

    WolfTastesLikeChicken NE of Ashton New Member

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    In 1814 we took a little trip
     
  7. chariot13

    chariot13 Near Eugene/Springfield Well-Known Member

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    I bellieve both methods happened and the standing toe to toe was not generally as successful for U.S. + the same people that allow something to be put in a history book as appearing factual are not who i believe as having our best interests but rather the interests of those in charge at the time.
     
  8. chariot13

    chariot13 Near Eugene/Springfield Well-Known Member

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    The National Guard doesn't qualify as a State Militia. Their intelligence unit is supplied & is overseen by the Federal Government, as well as their funding comes out of the Federal Government's budget not the States. Governors are nothing more than warlords who answer to a tyrant if & when they kill Americans.
     
  9. Sling Blade

    Sling Blade Yamhill County Well-Known Member

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    Wrong war.
     
  10. Sling Blade

    Sling Blade Yamhill County Well-Known Member

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    I totally agree. The Battle of Saratoga, for instance saw impressive use of what we'd refer to as unconveentional warfare, especially by Morgan and his men. Just am a little nervous that folks would get the idea that non of the Revolutionaries actions involved tactics common to the tim, hence my comments. I bow to your erudition, Sir.
     
  11. gunnails

    gunnails Hillsboro Active Member

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    I won't argue that.

    But you do agree I am retired militia?
     
  12. chariot13

    chariot13 Near Eugene/Springfield Well-Known Member

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    Reserve Militia lol :dunno: not like i'd complain
     
  13. BSG 75

    BSG 75 Oregon Well-Known Member

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    Meaning of the words in the Second Amendment

     
  14. wakejoe

    wakejoe Beaverton, OR Well-Known Member

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    “The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. A well regulated militia, composed of the body of people, trained in arms, is the best and most natural defense of a free country.” –James Madison, I Annuals of Congress 434 (June 8, 1789)

    “A militia when properly formed are in fact the people themselves and include all men capable of bearing arms. To preserve liberty it is essential that the whole body of people always possess arms and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them.” Richard Henry Lee, Initiator of the Declaration of Independence, and member of the first Senate, which passed the Bill of Rights. Additional Letters From the Federal Farmer 53, 1788

    “I ask sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them.” –George Mason, during Virginia’s ratification convention, 1788
     
  15. Boomerang

    Boomerang Portland area Active Member

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    The "regulated" in "well regulated" means "disciplined", "trained", or "practiced".
     
  16. chariot13

    chariot13 Near Eugene/Springfield Well-Known Member

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    I agree they meant it to mean well trained as much as well armed & Free, as well as the State that is, that wished to dictate The Peoples (Militia's) way of life.
     
  17. CharonPDX

    CharonPDX Portland, OR Active Member

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    It means everyone with a gun is supplied with plenty of Metamucil.

    Honestly, the "meaning" of well-regulated militia has been debated to death by experts so much, nobody can truly say they know what it means. Even some of the founding fathers had differing opinions. We've been living a "great compromise" with lawmakers disagreeing over the exact meanings of the words in the Constitution since day 1.
     
  18. Robo

    Robo Olympic Peninsula Active Member

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    It actually means that a militia composed of folks carrying single shot muskets should be well regulated.
     
  19. chariot13

    chariot13 Near Eugene/Springfield Well-Known Member

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    Yep. All should be well regulated (well armed) beyond a single shot musket. Gatlin guns and cannons were permissable during the civil war for the common citizen for a reason. The 2nd ammendment.
     
  20. Boomerang

    Boomerang Portland area Active Member

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    Actually it says "arms". Doesn't specify which arms.
     
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