Mdl 91-30 Mosin Nagant Collectable type

Nibbs · Jun 12, 2014

Made in 1933, Hex Rcvr.

ALL ORIGINAL except bolt, not uncommon.

NOT a refurb.

NO US IMPORT MARKINGS

It has:
"MADE IN
URRS"
Stamped on the top front of the receiver flat.

According to the experts this most likely was part of the group that were exported to Spain
and were used in the Spanish civil War.

Bore is good.
There is a stock repair and the long skinny HG has a crack but can be glued.

$250.
Prefer FTF SE PDX/ Milwaukie area.
Might be open to a part trade.

I've had a lot of NagNats over the last 22 yrs, and never seen one like this old horse.

toys in the toybox · Jun 13, 2014

cant tell from pic but does it actually say russia or ussr/urrs.

Nibbs · Jun 13, 2014

toys in the toybox said:
cant tell from pic but does it actually say russia or ussr/urrs.

My bad.
Faintly struck, and partial coverage but my money is on:

URRS

I'll try to get a better pic up.

fered · Jun 14, 2014

it is actually stamped USSR .on mine USSR is stamped faint too ,but a little better than yours also it has a hammer stamp right next to it ,i agree you will have a very hard time finding this particular stamp on other mosins,must have been some one time shipment somewhere.

Nibbs · Jun 14, 2014

fered said:
it is actually stamped USSR .on mine USSR is stamped faint too ,but a little better than yours also it has a hammer stamp right next to it ,i agree you will have a very hard time finding this particular stamp on other mosins,must have been some one time shipment somewhere.

Lots of info out there now.
Here's a decent sight w/ some good info:http://scwmosin.weebly.com/

Those stampings were done by Spain as an Export mark.
A bunch were brought into the US in the early 50s.

Why 'URRS' is not known, thinking is 'typo' error.

Seems the vast majority from USSR were 1936 and 1937 straight from their factories.

Others are verified to exist.

Here's a pair from the above site

coop44 · Jul 11, 2014

the "made in" is a U.S. requirement for import in the post ww2 era, why else would it be in english? Even so, a very cool hex reciever.

Nibbs · Jul 11, 2014

coop44 said:
the "made in" is a U.S. requirement for import in the post ww2 era, why else would it be in english? Even so, a very cool hex reciever.

It is an interesting topic

http://scwmosin.weebly.com/the-ldquomade-in-ussrurrsrdquo-stamp.html

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The "Made in USSR" and "Made in URRS" Marking
This is one of the most definitive of all the possible Spanish Civil War markings that can be found on Mosin Nagants. It consists solely of the text "Made in USSR" or "Made in URRS" stamped into the metal of the rifle. The marking itself can be seen on the receiver portion of the rifle as well as on the side of the barrel shank. In other cases the mark can also be found on the rear sight base, though this is more uncommon. It is important to note that sometimes the mark will not have been struck very strongly and will be difficult to see. It's not uncommon to only see only part of the mark if this is the case. When this mark is found on a Mosin Nagant there is no doubt to the history of its origin. So what exactly is the history of this particular mark?

The mark itself is actually what would be considered an import mark. Even before the enactment of much stricter importation laws in the post 1968 era, it was still protocol for import companies to stamp the country of origin upon the rifle. However, it is not at all uncommon to find a Spanish Civil War Mosin Nagant lacking this mark. Many of these rifles simply missed the mark when they were brought into the United States. Prior to the enacting of the 1968 Gun Control Act importation of guns was not nearly as closely managed as today.[1] Some people may see this marking and be led to believe the rifle is actually directly from the Soviet Union, since it does state "Made in USSR". However the mark is meant to say only whoMANUFACTURED the rifle, not where it was imported from. So it is completely legitimate to see this marking on Spanish Civil War rifles. In fact it is possible to find other rifles imported from Spain during this period that have similar marks indicating production in different countries (Exp: "Made in France", ect).

Another interested aspect of this mark is the variation which says "Made in URRS" instead of "Made in USSR". What is the meaning of this marking? The truth is there is no 100% consensus regarding this mark. The most common belief is the most obvious: a simple mistake. It's entirely possible since it is not uncommon to find similar mistakes on the import marks of other military surplus rifles (Exp: Listing of the wrong country, wrong rifle type, wrong caliber, ect).
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