Maybe the NRA was right after all, huh?

[renfield]

My observations aren't on the rightness or wrongness of putting armed guards in the schools, but on the blatant HYPOCRISY this suggests. When it was NRA's idea, it stunk. Now that it's the idea of some "progressive" school official, it's just peachy.

Thanks for reading.

What about the rest of yous guys??

I agree Dave, relabeling someone else's idea is pretty low, if it provides safety for those children then they can label it as whatever they like.

 

[hermannr]

If putting armed security isn't right, how would you solve this issue ?

That armed individuals should be present in a school at all times is not a question I would disagree with. That we should have armed "security" people in the schools, that I can argue against,

Why waste the public funds (yes, your tax monies and mine) on another person(s) (along with all these high paid "administrators") that do nothing to instruct the students, but are drawing school district wages? All the "armed security" necessary is already there, if the prohibition against carry in a school is removed.

It was OH or MI, don't remember, but they were given the opportunity to sign up for a special school carry class (on their time and their dime). The anti's said no-one would show up...something like 1500 teachers from one district signed up. There would be no extra cost to the school district, or the tax payers if they would only remove the prohibition on carry in a school, and those that are responsible for the students would be able to actually be responsible, not victims.

What are people afraid of? A gun? If a teacher or administrator (or janitor) was going to go batty, you think for one second teh GFZ law would slow them down?

 

[duane black]

Amen. This probably dates me, but I remember taking my .22lr rifle to one of my Jr High classes to give a talk on gun safety. The principle just told me to put it in my locker when I wasn't in class with it. NO ONE FREAKED OUT!

Strangely before all these school shooters, we use to take our guns to school and put them in our locker to go and hunt after school let out. Rifles, shotguns, depending on the season. Schools also had shooting teams and competition.
Never an accident or any school shootings. Times are sure screwed up now.

_______________________________
At my age I shoot forward a lot better than I run backward.
Rearward movement is only used for a forward Advantage and better sight alignment !

If we ever get a time machine working, I want to go back and experience this. I have seen an awfull lot of these stories from your guys generation. I am unsure why and how society has changed where this is now a issue, I just know I don't like it.

Reminds me of one of my favorite quotes;

" I've also seen the "new world" and I don't like it all that much " - John Taffin

 

[duane black]

That armed individuals should be present in a school at all times is not a question I would disagree with. That we should have armed "security" people in the schools, that I can argue against,

Why waste the public funds (yes, your tax monies and mine) on another person(s) (along with all these high paid "administrators") that do nothing to instruct the students, but are drawing school district wages? All the "armed security" necessary is already there, if the prohibition against carry in a school is removed.

It was OH or MI, don't remember, but they were given the opportunity to sign up for a special school carry class (on their time and their dime). The anti's said no-one would show up...something like 1500 teachers from one district signed up. There would be no extra cost to the school district, or the tax payers if they would only remove the prohibition on carry in a school, and those that are responsible for the students would be able to actually be responsible, not victims.

What are people afraid of? A gun? If a teacher or administrator (or janitor) was going to go batty, you think for one second teh GFZ law would slow them down?

I do not disagree.

 

[hermannr]

If we ever get a time machine working, I want to go back and experience this. I have seen an awfull lot of these stories from your guys generation. I am unsure why and how society has changed where this is now a issue, I just know I don't like it.

Reminds me of one of my favorite quotes;

" I've also seen the "new world" and I don't like it all that much " - John Taffin

I carried a rife to school for "show and tell" in Oregon no less...1955, Seaside.

 

[U201491]

My observations aren't on the rightness or wrongness of putting armed guards in the schools, but on the blatant HYPOCRISY this suggests. When it was NRA's idea, it stunk. Now that it's the idea of some "progressive" school official, it's just peachy.

Thanks for reading.

What about the rest of yous guys??

Yeah, its typical of the left.
They badmouth everything about the NRA.
The NRA is the primary trainer of most police depts. When the ww started the trained men to shoot before going into combat. They are the mainstay of firearms safety, hunter safety and so many good programs the cant be counted.
Yet no matter the leftists badmouth them. Just par for them.
Only because they represent us in protecting the 2nd.
We (members) are the NRA. They just cant get that through their thick marxist skulls. It is not a private organization. It is made up of citizens. Another thing they wont admit.

_______________________________
At my age I shoot forward a lot better than I run backward.
Rearward movement is only used for a forward Advantage and better sight alignment !

 

[BAMCIS]

........Dems hate guns either way, UNLESS only cops, military or their body guards have them.

I hope you forgive me Jim, but I took the liberty to fix it for ya.

 

[renfield]

ETA

I also believe it is going to require more than armed people at schools, whoever they are. We need to change the mentality of the staff, and public in general. We all know that a airport is a hardened target for bad guys. Schools need to be as well.

When I hand my child over to you as a teacher, I fully expect you to be able to provide a safe environment for my child. If this is something you don't have the stomach for, or are unable to do for whatever reason I want someone and someplace that can.

I wish this wasn't an issue, I really do. Obviously it is. BTW I am not directing the ETA comment directly to you renfield, just the establishment.

Thanks for letting me off the hook on that one

 

[rick benjamin]

I like how this thread invigorates folks to spirited discussion.

I read every snippit I can find of every school shooting. I also have LEO friends who share their scoops.
I learned that every teacher who had time to act, gathered their kids into a cloakroom or closet or corner, and stood between
them and the shooter. Some locked their doors, some could not. When encountered, they were shot down.

A gun and basic instruction would enable a teacher to chamber rounds, aim, and shoot at the target.
That is more than anyone has been able to do at any of the school shootings, because they didn't have a gun.

This subject matter isn't rocket science, even I knew the basics at 10 years old, and could load, shoot, and hit the target.
Teachers drive automobiles, hand foot eye brain co-ordination more difficult than handling a gun.
So, what's the big deal?
I think the blues and pseudo-reds fear to trust.

 

[BAMCIS]

I like how this thread invigorates folks to spirited discussion.

I read every snippit I can find of every school shooting. I also have LEO friends who share their scoops.
I learned that every teacher who had time to act, gathered their kids into a cloakroom or closet or corner, and stood between
them and the shooter. Some locked their doors, some could not. When encountered, they were shot down.

A gun and basic instruction would enable a teacher to chamber rounds, aim, and shoot at the target.
That is more than anyone has been able to do at any of the school shootings, because they didn't have a gun.

This subject matter isn't rocket science, even I knew the basics at 10 years old, and could load, shoot, and hit the target.
Teachers drive automobiles, hand foot eye brain co-ordination more difficult than handling a gun.
So, what's the big deal?
I think the blues and pseudo-reds fear to trust.

The first rule of a gunfight, HAVE A GUN!

 

[U201491]

If we ever get a time machine working, I want to go back and experience this. I have seen an awfull lot of these stories from your guys generation. I am unsure why and how society has changed where this is now a issue, I just know I don't like it.

Reminds me of one of my favorite quotes;

" I've also seen the "new world" and I don't like it all that much " - John Taffin

The 60's drug culture is when it began to change. Socialists, marxists and communists saw it as a way to beat down the country.
It has grown worse every decade. They pushed and financed cartels to bring more and more drugs into the country, created more demand, more addiction, more crime and laws were opened to massive changes that benefited no one except the "communists, marxists and socialists". They found their in and continue to exploit it. Many profited, except those that used and became addicted. By doing things that created crime and more and more shootings the found the path to try and disarm the people that would be their only obstacle.
They also began to infiltrate into every part of government and the agencies connected to government. Also into the education system to push their agendas on future generations of kids. They were successful to an extreme. All the diversions given to people, tv, electronic games, ipods, and anything that would keep people from paying attention.
Everyone became so self engrossed in those things, it gave them an open door to get away with anything they wanted.
The controlled apathy of the nation has resulted in all that is wrong with the nation today. It didn't happen by accident and was all very well planned out.
The 2nd Amendment is so very important because it is the only tool citizens have of putting a check on the damage being done to the country and total trouncing of our Constitution.
Will the people use it..... I can only say, sadly, I hope so.
If it is lost without a real fight, it WILL be the end of America as we know it. I believe you all know that.
It is the reason to fight all out to oust the current senate and every rino in congress. But you better make sure we have an honest election this time. Unlike 2008 and 2012.
It will be a much more pleasant way to save our country than the alternative way.

Additional note: Think about it.
Without crime LE is not needed and job security is gone. So is the job of the legislator.
_______________________________
At my age I shoot forward a lot better than I run backward.
Rearward movement is only used for a forward Advantage and better sight alignment !

 

[rick benjamin]

Thanks for letting me off the hook on that one

Off the hook? Not even close.
Claiming 12 years in "the military" and claiming to be a teacher?
What did you do? Paper clip inventory?
Were you 4.0 at underwater basketweaving?

 

[renfield]

Off the hook? Not even close.
Claiming 12 years in "the military" and claiming to be a teacher?
What did you do? Paper clip inventory?
Were you 4.0 at underwater basketweaving?

A somewhat ignorant, personal and unnecessary response, and a great way to bring a discussion down five notched, don't you think. I taught English lit after completing a BA and an MA masters degree. As did a number of other guys, just to keep themselves busy. I don't claim anything I was a paratrooper, I served in Iraq and afghanistan and I'll happily meet you in person to discuss it. Where'd you serve? I'm guessing from your profile photo you were possibly army, in the 80's when our forces were at their least professional, and possibly never left the us.

Added: I saw no mention of the military on your about you page, and makes your response all that dumber. It is true that not everyone is cut out to serve. Come at me old man, what you got? Nothing? What you doing? Watching Red Dawn.

 

[Bacchus]

Why do liberals insist on sex education in the classroom, but resist firearms education ?

Answer: They don't really care about the kids but about pushing forward the socialist agenda.

 

[renfield]

Why do liberals insist on sex education in the classroom, but resist firearms education ?

Answer: They don't really care about the kids but about pushing forward the socialist agenda.

You should write to the department of education and ask them about that. You could ask them why the 'no child left behind' program involves ensuring g students know the answers to tests, more than it does an actual education. Its been a long time since any government, red or blue has done our education system any favors. Keeping the population dumb and in fear of each other makes things so much easier for government everywhere.

 

[Navman]

I wish we could go back in time and ask the staff & Teachers of Sandy Hook, Virginia Tech, Columbine etc in their last moments on this earth if they thought for one second, "thank God I have no means to defend myself or my students from the madman that is making his way to our classroom"

We can play all the "what if" etc until hell freezes over, but if you or I were cornered by a closing gunman, with students looking to us to keep them alive, would any of this "top shot" come into play?

It's not by chance that these nut cases choose "gun free victim zones" they don't want to risk somebody that can shoot back!

 

[rick benjamin]

A somewhat ignorant, personal and unnecessary response, and a great way to bring a discussion down five notched, don't you think. I taught English lit after completing a BA and an MA masters degree. As did a number of other guys, just to keep themselves busy. I don't claim anything I was a paratrooper, I served in Iraq and afghanistan and I'll happily meet you in person to discuss it. Where'd you serve? I'm guessing from your profile photo you were possibly army, in the 80's when our forces were at their least professional, and possibly never left the us.

Added: I saw no mention of the military on your about you page, and makes your response all that dumber. It is true that not everyone is cut out to serve. Come at me old man, what you got? Nothing? What you doing? Watching Red Dawn.

Yup, an old man. Did your nerves twang? I figured you might be a liberal.

I'll happily meet you in person to discuss it. not everyone is cut out to serve. Come at me old man, what you got? Nothing? What you doing? Watching Red Dawn.

1975 to 1981, Marine Corps. 2531 Comm Co, HQBN 1Div. 4th LAAM BN A Btry 5923.
Yourself? What has a lack of discipline qualified yourself for?

 

[renfield]

I wish we could go back in time and ask the staff & Teachers of Sandy Hook, Virginia Tech, Columbine etc in their last moments on this earth if they thought for one second, "thank God I have no means to defend myself or my students from the madman that is making his way to our classroom"

We can play all the "what if" etc until hell freezes over, but if you or I were cornered by a closing gunman, with students looking to us to keep them alive, would any of this "top shot" come into play?

It's not by chance that these nut cases choose "gun free victim zones" they don't want to risk somebody that can shoot back!

They all carried out their actions in their respective environments, as did Hasan when he shot dead 13 soldiers. The worst event to take place in a school in the US was committed in 1927 by school board member who planted bombs.

 

[renfield]

Yup, an old man. Did your nerves twang? I figured you might be a liberal.

1975 to 1981, Marine Corps. 2531 Comm Co, HQBN 1Div. 4th LAAM BN A Btry 5923.
Yourself? What has a lack of discipline qualified yourself for?

Yeah you've got nothing but labels and abuse. Good for you I've met a lot of you late 70's and 80's redneck boys, who never deployed anywhere - nothing but piss, wind and an embarrassment to their uniform, and a discredit to themselves.

 

[Provincial]

Two comments:

First, the actions of the Spokane School District were taken to provide a practical way to address the security problem demonstrated by Sandy Hook. That this follows the NRA suggestion presented a problem. How to do the proper thing without having to "eat crow?" They chose to pretend that they were doing something different, which is deceptive. I hope they get called out for it in an effective way.

Second, any action that presents the possibility that armed persons willing to defend the students/staff will be present on school grounds at any time (or possibly not) tends to dissuade the Adam Lanzas of the world, since the last thing they want to encounter is someone who is also armed. Signs stating "Licensed persons carrying concealed weapons may be present at any time" posted at all schools (and based on law/policy) would achieve that desired effect.