Other State Mass shooting at a bar in Southern California

[MxOverkill]

.. Therefore, this all must be just FAKE NEWS.

Sell that bubblegum to the victims' families. Let us know if they buy it.

 

[nammac]

"In April this year, deputies were called to the home he shared with his mother after neighbors heard loud crashes coming from inside. He was acting 'irrationally' and was 'irate' so police called in their mental health specialist but they cleared him, deciding against having him committed. Neighbors told DailyMail.com on Thursday that his mother Colleen was 'terrified' he was going to harm himself or others."

Bottom line is, there was an individual with apparently severe mental issues that was left with access to a firearm.

^^^That right there Folks is the crux of the problem. Mental health issues and firearms just don't mix. But that's not reason to deny a populace their un-infringed rights... Period...

 

[nammac]

So if 26 rounds is high capacity then what is this? View attachment 516262
Aside from an unreliable aftermarket mag that is.

Half a moped tire?

 

[BAC19]

Here in lies the problem. Was he always this way? At one point he was a United States Marine!

When do we call this a mental health issue and support our veterans and get them and others the help they need instead of always blaming the gun?

I agree. I'm a veteran. I've known guys who came back from war a different person. Yes, what he did was wrong, and he was very disturbed. But this is a real tragedy for the victims and the shooter. Sad.

 

[amusicman2]

A firearm, loaded, chambered, cocked, ready for someone to pull the trigger on, sitting without human interaction, will not kill anyone.
It aint the guns folks.

Preaching to the choir...wish the "other" folks would get that.

 

[4Freedom]

Sell that bubblegum to the victims' families. Let us know if they buy it.

God, I hope you were not taking me literally .. I was just emphasizing the point that many others have been saying here for generations.. Guns Don't Kill People.. People Kill People..

No, I don't believe AR-15s have bad days and go out and shoot people and that 10rd capacity handguns are well-behaved and are pacifists.

 

[NW Backpacker]

Quote from the article: "There were six off-duty officers at the bar that night.

"It's just amazing. There were probably six off-duty officers in there from a couple different agencies and I've already talked to a parent who said they stood in front of my daughter," Dean said."

6 off duty officers. None of them had a gun? Hard to believe.

 

[tac]

I agree. I'm a veteran. I've known guys who came back from war a different person. Yes, what he did was wrong, and he was very disturbed. But this is a real tragedy for the victims and the shooter. Sad.

Please forgive me if I seem a little short of sympathy on his behalf. I'm sure you'll understand.

 

[etrain16]

Quote from the article: "There were six off-duty officers at the bar that night.

"It's just amazing. There were probably six off-duty officers in there from a couple different agencies and I've already talked to a parent who said they stood in front of my daughter," Dean said."

6 off duty officers. None of them had a gun? Hard to believe.

I thought I read that bar carry was illegal in CA, and that apparently applies to off duty officers as well. Maybe someone can confirm that?

 

[nwslopoke]

Quote from the article: "There were six off-duty officers at the bar that night.

"It's just amazing. There were probably six off-duty officers in there from a couple different agencies and I've already talked to a parent who said they stood in front of my daughter," Dean said."

6 off duty officers. None of them had a gun? Hard to believe.

When I was a teen my cousin was a cop. He and his friends would let me shadow them at bars a few times. They were never unarmed. I've never really seen where cops let the law stop them. I'm just saying. I don't get where that many cops would be unarmed at a bar. Not blaming, just amazed.

 

[Camelfilter]

...I don't get where that many cops would be unarmed at a bar. Not blaming, just amazed.

Yah, same. Seems...odd, like really really odd.

 

[Aero Denezol]

Apparently he had one mag change. A witness said it took like "6 seconds". That would be a slow mag change for a trained shooter where it would be more like 2-3 sec. Try it.

Yeah, I thought the same thing. I'm not a great handgunner but I can beat that time and stay on target. 6 seconds is long enough for someone to sprint 5 yards and execute a nice form tackle on the SOB. Or put a barstool to his forehead.

 

[bbbass]

Yeah, I thought the same thing. I'm not a great handgunner but I can beat that time and stay on target. 6 seconds is long enough for someone to sprint 5 yards and execute a nice form tackle on the SOB. Or put a barstool to his forehead.

Yes indeed! It happened here in Oregon... what was the shooting, Kip Kinkle, or was it somebody else? Shooters have been brought to the ground during pause. Where was the testosterone? Anyway, the witness saying six seconds might be an example of time dilation effect of shock in emergencies, or it could just be a typical witness error. But 6 seconds is enough time for a dragster to reach the end of the 1/4 mile track.

 

[nwslopoke]

When it was reported that this killer only brought one gun I immediately felt it was a trained 'person', for lack of a better word. Most of these idiots bring 9 guns and 8000 rnds of ammo. Then they dress up in a Call of Duty fantasy then drop most of their heavy gear because their nondating beta male arms can't handle the weight.

Of course I have zero admiration for this scum but it felt like a different kind of attacker. Why he attacked people that were just like him is my big mystery.

 

[Ryan98270]

6 seconds is a long time, but unless you have eyes on him you can't know he's reloading. Could be waiting for someone to pop their head up.

 

[RicInOR]

'Multiple Men' Were 'Ready to Take a Bullet' for Us, Says Shooting Survivor

 

[RicInOR]

California passed a Gun Violence Restraining Order law in 2014, didn't use it with this shooter.

 

[4Freedom]

So, some of the parents (who I can understand are crushed, emotionally) are screaming for more gun control to stop this from happening. Outside of rescinding the 2nd Amendment and prohibiting firearm ownership out right, what more gun control can California possibly impose? If they ban handguns in California, the MExican cartels will help bring large quantities of illegal handguns into Los ANgeles metro for probably cheaper than you can buy them in a store in California. Hell, with the Democrats wanting to open up our borders and make it a crime to profile or guard our borders against illegal immgirants I think it would be a very lucrative market for cartels as they lost their revenues with marijuana smuggling, heroin is just too cheap and much is coming in from Asia now and meth can be made domestically.

 

[Ryan98270]

So, some of the parents (who I can understand are crushed, emotionally) are screaming for more gun control to stop this from happening

I wonder how much of that is just lashing out, and how much of that is the media pushing that narrative onto them

 

[EPS]

I watched a documentary on Amazon prime.
It's called KEEP AND BEAR.
and the guy talks about the Orlando night club SHOOTING he said it's amazing that in the middle of a mass Shooting a bunch of people .
Where able to take out there cell phone and call people or text people or even turn on the camera. MMMMMMM I WONDER WHAT WOULD HAVE BEEN THE OUT COME IF THEY TOOK OUT A GUN AND SHOT BACK AT THE BAD GUY .
INSTEAD OF REACHING FOR THERE PHONE .