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Martial Law

Discussion in 'Legal & Political Archive' started by RobertJ., Oct 5, 2009.

  1. RobertJ.

    RobertJ. Seaside, OR Member

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    Okay, this is my first post. What I'm wondering is, does anyone else out there see the comparisons between our new president and Adolph Hitler?

    Does anyone else see steps being taken for our new chief to implement martial law?

    Go ahead, make all the "tin-foil hat" jokes you want, but a grim day is headed our way.

    What are you doing to prepare for it?
     
  2. Monkeyman

    Monkeyman Portland, OR Member

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    Welcome to the forum.

    Perhaps you'd like to detail what steps or events you think point to Obama declaring martial law? That, I think, might provoke some discussion. Facts are always nice when stating an hypothesis.

    This one is my personal fave.
     
  3. xstayfrostyx

    xstayfrostyx PDX Member

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    Sure... They were both funded by the Rockefeller family!
     
  4. dario541

    dario541 medford, or 97504 Member

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    What is the definition of Martial Law? The way I understand it is that ALL law is suspended and the miltary is put in complete control. The Constitution is kicked aside for the duration of whatever "Emergency" the current dictator declares and there are no Rights for anybody.
    During Martial Law the government can take your property at will, force you to move where they say, work where they want you and so on. You actually become a slave!
    Is this the future of our Grand Old Republic?
     
  5. tinman

    tinman portland Member

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    Sounds like when I was in the army but I new that going in. That was a choice.
     
  6. Doubletap

    Doubletap Newberg Well-Known Member

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    This may not exactly apply..but our military is definitely training up for something.. They say it's for "urban training" for use elsewhere..so why are they using populated areas in the US? This is a whitewashed version of a recent "training exersise"..that a buisness associate of mine witnessed..and called me about today:

    http://crothersvilletimes.com/?p=1009

    What the article doesn't mention..are the ground maneuvers in the area..where neighbor children of his were scared ****less by an encounter with heavily armed troops..
     
  7. Oldfart

    Oldfart Portland Member

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    Total, complete martial law would be very difficult to implement and even more difficult to maintain.

    First, the declaring entity would need some sort of crisis to convince the military and the people that martial law was needed to restore order. The past few weeks have seen a number of stories about possible 'false flag events' engineered by the left for the sole purpose of claiming the right to be the perpetrators. Naturally, we on the right have taken careful note of these stories but huge numbers of "fence-sitters" have read those same stories and - while they may not completely believe them, they don't completely disbelieve them either. Thus, any crisis would have to be a real one rather than a "Reichstag Fire" event.

    Second, while some may believe the armed citizenry is incapable of any sort of resistance there are enough - mostly among that armed citizenry - who feel that they can make a difference. More importantly, a lot of those who might call for martial law are unsure of whether or not the American militia could or would resist. As long as there is that uncertainty we can be reasonably certain that martial law will not be invoked unless a real need is evident.

    Third, martial law requires an army of some sort to implement and to maintain it. Officers of the U.S. military swear an oath to 'preserve, protect and defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic." I'm sure there are some officers who would interpret that to mean support for the President but after this latest go-round with Gen. McCrystal I'd bet that there are fewer than there were last week and next week will see a further reduction.

    No, I don't think martial law is a realistic concern unless something happens and we really need it.
     
  8. sillyrabbit

    sillyrabbit Salem, Oregon Member

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    What..? Could possibly happen to where we really need it?
     
  9. jordanvraptor

    jordanvraptor Oregon City, Oregon Well-Known Member

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    Nuke several major cities, big earthquakes, supervolcano eruption, massive tsunami on the east or west coast, mideast war that cuts off imported oil supplies for longer than our strategic reserve lasts... Oh, and my personal favorite, EMP disables electronic stuff. I'm sure others could add to the list. I think its prudent that the military train for imposition of martial law but a lot of the training is also useful for overseas deployments because that is essentially what we have done in Iraq and Afghanistan.

    Where else can you shoot at people for not getting out of the way? Its very cathartic. :)
     
  10. wakejoe

    wakejoe Beaverton, OR Well-Known Member

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    Or learn the fine art of smashing out rear windshields on small sedans, but smashing into it just right with a HMMWV. On the road. In traffic.

    I know a guy!
     
  11. shibbershabber

    shibbershabber Vancouver Well-Known Member

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    Im pretty sure that every president has been compared to Hitler at some point.

    I remember when everyone thought that GWB was going to declare martial law and refuse to leave office before the election, and now it is Obama's turn I guess.

    My guess is that it wont happen at all. We will all be quietly herded in which ever direction the powers that be want us to go. 99% of the time we will fall in line like good little sheep. As has been said before, we will welcome it.

    Just like how most people are all prepared to give up their civil rights in the name of fighting terrorism. Those who stand out will be few and far between. They will be labeled anarchists, terrorists, unAmerican, etc. and we will collectively denounce them as such since thats what the TV tells us to believe.

    So, IMO there is no need for martial law... Since the right wingers are ready and willing to give up their liberty in the name of national security, and the lefties will follow Obama off of a cliff like a bunch of lemmings... there wont be need of violence or super oppressive measures.
     
  12. Monkeyman

    Monkeyman Portland, OR Member

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    I like to think of events in terms of percentages. While all those things might precipitate martial law, and since I like to gamble, I'd probably give even money or less on what I think happens first:

    The checks start bouncing in California, and stupid people start getting hungry and thirsty. Or just Peeved at their supposed messiah.

    I mean, it's urban exercises, right?

    And Wakejoe, tell the Humvee story!:thumbup:
     
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  13. sillyrabbit

    sillyrabbit Salem, Oregon Member

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    Nuke several major cities..... OK, cities destroyed and millions killed........ war has started and we REALLY need martial law??? Really? big earthquakes..... OK Kalifornia has the big one.......... thousands, maybe hundresd of thousands killed, no power, no water, people scavanging for what ever, they come to my house to rob from me but martial law has been declared and they've taken my guns and I do what again??? Supervolcano eruption, massive tsunami on the east or west coast..... SAME as the earthquake scenario..... (Did we learn NOHTHING from Katrina and the gun grab and supplies grab?)....... mideast war that cuts off imported oil supplies for longer than our strategic reserve lasts... Sounds like the start of WW3 so I'm going to give up my supplies and protection?..........Oh, and my personal favorite, EMP disables electronic stuff........ HOW would martial law be imposed when IF our vehicles wouldn't run either would the military's...... etc. etc., I'm sure others could add to the list. I think its prudent that the military train for imposition of martial law but a lot of the training is also useful for overseas deployments because that is essentially what we have done in Iraq and Afghanistan. You have a oint there, so why would they need MORE training if that is the case?

    AND last......... Where else can you shoot at people for not getting out of the way? Its very cathartic.

    That could be pretty funny if it weren't for the fact (sad fact) that the only shooting of people that wouldn't get out of the way.... that my Son-in-law and my Nephew are shooting over there are those "fine folks" planting roadside bombs trying to kill them! Ya right! very cathartic!
     
  14. BPN

    BPN About 20min N of Seattle Member

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    So maybe I'm a minority here so I guess I'll give you some good odds. I'll wager $10 to your every $1 that at the end of his 4 year term

    1. No U.S. government genocide of the Jews will happen.
    (I accept cash or jelly beans)

    In MY opinion calling him a socialist, dictator or czar is one thing but comparing ANYONE to Hitler is absurd unless you are sure a genocide will happen in the US. I understand you have reason but when you compare anyone to Hitler most people will associate Hitler with genocide.

    Can someone refresh me on how many have died in the middle east VS United States troops during this war? Seriously I can't remember the number.
     
  15. unionguy

    unionguy Portland Active Member

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    Read your history. The military has mostly only been used against the US population has been when the economic interests of the rich Americans was threatened. Try reading up on the West Virginia coal miners' war where they used planes to bomb Americans (the miners). Or, when people were on strike, the moved in with the troops and shot people. Only when you threaten those interests do the guns come out.

    Both conservatives and liberals are making the mistake of generals--fighting the 'last war'. For conservatives, its the fear of a totalitarian government. For liberals, its the 1960's. We all gotta wake up and know the true threat of our century is consolidated corporate power...who control our government. That's what we should be looking into...oh, but that won't get on Fox News...or ABC...or CBS...because they are all owned by the corporations!
     
  16. shibbershabber

    shibbershabber Vancouver Well-Known Member

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    Yeah, dont forget about Kent State too.

    as some of us know, war is BIG money for a select few. The rest of us have to watch the country go broke paying for it. Some even have to suffer the death of a loved one.

    If its not this war, it will be another. And Im sure whatever BS it is about we will all be told, "If we dont fight them there, they'll be fighting us here" or the ever popular, "They are fighting for our rights"

    Look at Vietnam, we were told about the domino theory and even the 'fight them there/not here' but look what happened... we lost the war and communism didnt spread, and recently GWB went there on an ***-kissing mission so we could lose more jobs to their cheap labor.

    Corporate America & Politicians: 9999999999999
    Working Class Americans: 0
     
  17. Monkeyman

    Monkeyman Portland, OR Member

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    Well said. But are you asking about enemy casualties in Iraq, or civilian casualties as well? And what's your point in asking?

    I remember hearing a body count every night on the news from Viet Nam, our and theirs. The contrast with this war is telling.
     
  18. jordanvraptor

    jordanvraptor Oregon City, Oregon Well-Known Member

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    You only asked what situations could happen where martial law was needed, I never said anyone would like it or should depend on the government to protect or provide for them.

    The military always needs MORE training... I know my dynamic entry skills went to pot after about a year of not doing it.

    The joke was a joke, sorry if you took offense, but I've been there, done that, so I think I can make a joke about it.
     
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    If matrial law were to break out in the US, it would be isolated to specific areas similar to Katrina. If we use the idea of California not honering it's IOU's and people start raging against the local authority, I imagine that the National Guard (or what's left of it to actually guard the Nation) will be mobilized and instructed to lock down the violent cities and keep the anarchy isolated. The government knows that although the really vocal gun nuts are a minority, they also know there is a much larger part of society that will fight tooth and nail if forced to. I know a lot of people who are like me, democrats who like the current administration so far, but we also love our guns and are skilled with them. Nationwide martial law is not a reality, but isolated rebellion after natural disasters are a reality and have happened in our country.
     
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    PosterGuy Hillsboro Member

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