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Manual/semi-auto 9mm carbine......

Discussion in 'General Firearm Discussion' started by tac, May 19, 2013.

  1. tac

    tac UK, Oregon and Ontario. Well-Known Member

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    ...and no, I'm not drunk. Here in yUK this is as near as we can get to the real semi-auto AR lower 9mm Parabellum carbine.......

    Part 1 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15yHuA69oAA Part 1

    Part 2 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Soe9u3_cZGk

    I got to shoot this this morning for the first time. The owner told me that they are pretty rare -at a tad over $1700 I have to agree. With it's 12" barrel and 24" OAL it conforms to the UK's wacky laws on 'short firearms' - bleeve it or not, it is registered here in yUK as a '9mm rifle'.

    Uh, right.

    What happens is that the bolt gets blown back, just like a semi-auto on the last shot, and held by the bolt release - that way it's not a semi-auto. Manually [actually, thumb-ually] releasing the bolt allows it to travel forward and pick up another round and chambers it for you to shoot and the whole process starts over. Neat, eh?

    We have no such thing a restricted magazines here in UK - if you want, and can actually carry, a fifty-round mag for your 12g Viper, you just go ahead and buy it. Same for this baby here - the biggest mags are my UZI 32-rounders - I didn't hand THEM in back in '97 when my UZI pistol disappeared into the melter. Just in case, y'know?

    The lower is a regular AR-lower made by any number of makers who ship to the UK, but the upper is a custom job made right here in yUK - hence the, ahem, somewhat enthusiastic hanger price.

    9mm Para from most makers here hovers around $40-45/C. With a piece like this, it makes reloading a plan.

    Best

    tac & the boys over here, doing what we can with whatever we can,


    PS - for the odd flamer - I'd really appreciate a bit of compassion here, Guys, flaming will not make me your friend, especially as mrs tac and me are heading your way next week and a meeting up at Clark Rifles WA or Izaak Walton Eugene OR is a distinct possibility.

    Take care now, eh?

    tac
     
  2. revjen45

    revjen45 Snohomish County Well-Known Member

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    I recall seeing pump action AKs @ Big 5 some time back. No gas system and a slide forend to cycle the bolt. Must have been designed as a way around the next AWB.

    Nothing to flame here. Enjoy your time in OR.
     
  3. samuelm16

    samuelm16 se pdx Well-Known Member

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    Should rig up a lever inside the trigger guard for the bolt release the you can hit with the forward stroke of your finger
     
  4. tac

    tac UK, Oregon and Ontario. Well-Known Member

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    Good idea, I'll pass it on. :)

    Thanks

    tac
     
  5. Kevinkris

    Kevinkris Aloha Well-Known Member

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    last thing we need is for antis to see this and demand all semi-autos are done this way. interesting gun though, is it just a modified catch?
     
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  6. tac

    tac UK, Oregon and Ontario. Well-Known Member

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    No, it's not a modified catch. It is a totally new and specifically-made breech-block assembly and the lower is made specially for the UK manufacturer with the internals designed to comply with the one-squeeze-one-shot-trigger that is all we are allowed to have here. Add to that that it does NOT fit a standard AR-style upper - having different internal dimensions as well as hinge-pin size and location and you have a nightmare trying to convert it to semi-auto.

    There are presently less than ten in existence, and they are all here in yUK
     
  7. Kevinkris

    Kevinkris Aloha Well-Known Member

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    ouch.
     
  8. tac

    tac UK, Oregon and Ontario. Well-Known Member

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    Here's the skinny on how it works, and the rationale behind it all.................

    Southern Gun Company (SGC) are by many, renowned as the finest custom AR builder in the UK, and their latest offering doesn’t disappoint! Here I present to you the 9mm Lever Release Rifle (nicknamed the “Unicorn” due to the seemingly endless wait for it to be produced, and the belief that its existence was a myth). It’s been a long time coming, but this is the latest innovation in firearm technology, which has been designed to comply with the 1988 Firearms Amendment Act (Self Loading Rifle ban), in a similar way Long Barrelled Revolvers and Long Barrelled Pistols do to the 1997 act. These were initially disliked by the police, but soon became excepted, and are a common sight down the local club and also at major Gallery competitions.. This new rifle, I predict will end the same way.

    Laid on the bench, the Lever Release looks like a pretty standard AR-15, with a modified 32rd Uzi magazine shoved in. For only £1150, you get a 13.25”, 1 in 16 twist barrel, 9mmx19 chambered AR, with a low profile upper receiver (with integral picatinny rail), charge bar cocking, A2 flash hider, DPMS free float hand guard, Command Arms collapsible stock, one magazine (spares are ~£45 as they have to be machined to fit) and an A2 pistol grip. However the gun starts to get exciting when you look at action, there's not a locking lug in sight, and an unusual lever on the left hand side where the safety catch should be!

    This lever is the key to how the action works. This lever is what stops the rifle being a semi-auto, and hence illegal. The firing sequence is as follows; Use the standard AR T handle charge bar to pull the bolt back (it will automatically lock back), insert a loaded magazine, push down the sprung lever with your thumb (this releases the bolt, which then flies forward, chambering the first round), turn the safety catch to fire as necessary, sight the rifle on the target, and pull the trigger. The round then fires, cycling the bolt back, unloading the chamber, ejecting the empty case, and automatically locks back. To fire the next round push the lever down, releasing the bolt and then pull the trigger again, hence the name, Lever Release Action.

    After looking forward to this rifle for countless months, it brought a smile to my face when I shot it for the first time at my local club. The rapid string of gunfire, and clattering of empty brass soon attracted a crowd, interested to see the new rifle. It was simply a dream to shoot! The action unloaded extremely quickly and reliably, and never failed to lock open. The recoil was moderate, as expected, and the whole thing seemed natural to shoot. As you grip the rifle with your finger on the trigger, your thumb sits naturally on the lever, ready to release the bolt. Thus it takes very little co-ordination to achieve a high cyclic rate. Whether you want to use it as a Gallery / Practical Rifle in speed shoots, or shoot precision groups down the range, this rifle is perfect for both.

    I tested the rifle with Nato Spec IMI, and Wolf ammo. The IMI cycled 100% reliably for the 100rds I fired, throwing the fired cases out with a lot of force. The steel cases of the wolf decreased the reliability slightly, causing the odd empty case to jam the action, but nothing worth worrying about. The trigger pull is slightly on the heavy side, breaking at about 8lb. With a red dot mounted on the top, both ammunitions easily shot a 1” group at 25m. SGC are renowned for their tight machining tolerances, and for manufacturing precision, accurate rifles, so I expect that this group size would drastically decrease with a scope fitted, however I was unable to test this.

    There have been concerns about the legality of this design, however most of these are due to lack of understanding of the mechanism, or false information. I can assure you that this rifle falls 100% within Section 1 of the Firearms Acts. It is a concept, designed and manufactured in the UK, to make the most of what we can still own. Its nice to see this country is still at the cutting edge of firearms manufacturing once again, despite our draconian Gun Laws! It has been shown to Warwickshire Police Firearms Licensing Manager, who is happy with it's legality. SGC have worked extensively to make sure this is the case. Although the lower receiver looks standard, it is a completely new build, designed from scratch. The release lever operates in a very similar way to a semi-auto sear on a trigger – you push the lever down once, it releases the bolt, and then the mechanism springs back up off the lever, so you cannot hold it down to make the rifle go semi auto. You need to release the lever, to reset the sear. Although customers are warned not to try this, as holding the lever down will void the warranty, and damage the mechanism, costing over £400 for a new one.

    To ensure the rifle is not easily convertible to section 5, it will not work with a standard AR-15 lower receiver. The trigger mechanism, hammer, and all other internal parts are all custom built for the purpose, and not interchangeable. Therefore you cannot change the lower receiver, or any other parts to convert the rifle to semi auto. The only downside from this is that you cannot fit an aftermarket trigger. In fact you are discouraged from stripping the lower receiver at all, as this will also void the warranty, and after seeing all the tightly tensioned springs inside, I don't think I'd want to try! A slightly odd feature due to the redesigned lower parts is that on the safety catch, fire is still 'up' but safe is pointing back, traditionally where 'auto' would be! Of course AR-15 furniture such as sights, stocks, forends, grips, etc. Fit perfectly on the rifle , as it is still a "Mechano set AR" at heart.

    This rifle is a must for any black gun fan, as it is fun, new concept, with the aesthetics and ergonomics of any AR. The price is very good value considering the amount of work that's gone into it, and best of all it brings a smile to your face when shooting!

    ETA - If you would like one of these rifles, order one fast, as the first batch is all pre sold, and the next batch will soon be reserved. You require a variation for "1x 9mm rifle".

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