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Ha, that looks just like my Winchester .22 semi auto. And that is NOT a high caliber rifle OR a shotgun! Sorry old timer. Turn your ear trumpet up!
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I say make it a profession with educational standards nearly that of a doctor and having to pass incredibly invasive psychological tests and background checks rivaling that of a CIA trainee. After a 'basic training' similar to Marine Corps then they go to Police Academy. If they pass all this then lets pay them a salary commensurate with all they went through. My point is lets RAISE the bar, and not lower it.
And then the controlling union thugs are sainted big-brains? not so muchImplying anyone with the intelligence to pass such tests would willingly work for and enforce laws passed by malignant narcissist politicians.
I agree. One can 'chest thump' himself all he wants about whats right and wrong and what you do or do not have to 'comply' with but none of this amounts to a hill of beans when you are shot because of your pride (or stupidity).With the mentality of the country and after the school shootings, the guy was an idiot for pushing the envelope when people are on hair triggers already. Being within the constitution and all still can get you killed.
I missed the part where this was a "lawful arrest".
Remember that "reasonable suspicion" isn't much... it's not even "probable cause." A cop could say "based on the fact that the guy was sweating, twitching, and not even acknowledging my existence, I feared he might be about to cause harm to the public." That would likely meet "reasonable suspicion" in just about any case, 911 calls and rifle or not.
The bottom line is, and I'm not saying that this happened in this case, many people do not understand the simplest of things. Often, cops command, "don't move!".. and then they/the tardness decides that that's the best time to do a little dance while trying to get at that pesky itch at their crotch or somesuch.
Happens every day. save your handjive and shenanigans for elsewhere
Hate to break it to you, but if a cop says "don't move" and you begin dancing, you still didn't break any law.
Given the lack of details, the guy could've been shot for simply walking around his house to take out raccoons with .22 CB rounds. This is something that my dad has done in the past, either with .22CB or an air rifle. You can see my comment on this in the ST comments section - based on the scant evidence shown in the media coverage, a cop could've come up on my dad's property and shot him for about the same reasons. Since my dad often has headphones on when doing yard work, he probably would have not "responded to police commands."
And I hate to break it to you but you can be justifiably shot even when you're not breaking any laws. It's about perspective with cops, just like it is with non-cops defending themselves. Articulation is everything. Why'd you shoot? Have a good reason, one other people will say, "Oh yea, I probably would have shot too?"
Because you don't know what the cops know/think nor how they're perceiving you and the situation... it seems to me that the best thing, for self-preservation sake, when carrying a firearm openly and being yelled at by police, is to comply. I know people around here HATE feeling like they should EVER have to do ANYTHING a cop EVER tells them to do, so long as they're not obviously committing crimes, and I agree on a philosophical level, but we're talking about surviving the encounter right now.
Again... we don't have enough info to know what the case was, in this story.
Is it remotely possible to ask that you stay in the context of the thread and not segue in into something not related to the thread? We are discussing the Edmonds, WA situation and nothing else.Remind us again why those 2 old Asian ladies were shot at by the cops in Kalifornia a few months back. Why was their truck turned into a naturally vented vehicle?
I bet the cops are mad that he didnt die because now he can tell his side of the story.
Which law is it that prohibits having a rifle near a school? If a police officer verbally commands you to stand on your head and spit rubber nickels are you going to comply? Refusing to obey a police officer is not a capital offense....yet.
And he may NOT have been doing anything illegal - but HE is the one who is SHOT and SUFFERING - is there anything difficult to understand here? For Crying out loud HE DID NOT COMPLY and got shot! Go pitch yer bee-yotch to the Edmonds PD and tell us how that works out.Still no additional facts but I find it interesting that they haven't charged him with anything yet... Perhaps he wasn't doing anything illegal...
And I hate to break it to you but you can be justifiably shot even when you're not breaking any laws. It's about perspective with cops, just like it is with non-cops defending themselves. Articulation is everything. Why'd you shoot? Have a good reason, one other people will say, "Oh yea, I probably would have shot too?"
Because you don't know what the cops know/think nor how they're perceiving you and the situation... it seems to me that the best thing, for self-preservation sake, when carrying a firearm openly and being yelled at by police, is to comply. I know people around here HATE feeling like they should EVER have to do ANYTHING a cop EVER tells them to do, so long as they're not obviously committing crimes, and I agree on a philosophical level, but we're talking about surviving the encounter right now.
Again... we don't have enough info to know what the case was, in this story.