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I first heard about this on nextdoor when it happened couple days ago. 122nd and Glisan Fred Meyer. Robber was trying to steal a woman's purse. Robber shot Good Samaritan. That's what they said on next door anyway.

Have seen this exact thing before in Pdx and clackamas counties. Robber follows woman to her car and as soon as she is in car takes her purse. I'll have to check nextdoor and see if there are any more details like was gun visible at time of robbery.

Did not read this article yet.


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This is so sad. I hope they catch the perp. Once they have the loot and are fleeing, that's it. I would be done. We really need the death penalty for stuff like this, with an expedited process so these criminals don't get three hots and a cot for decades, and wind up dying of natural causes in prison after 30 years.
 
Very sad indeed. If you are not willing and able to drop some scum? Best thing to do is stay the hell out of it and call 911. When they catch the scum the deep blue will want to blame the victim for trying to intervene.
 
This is so sad. I hope they catch the perp. Once they have the loot and are fleeing, that's it. I would be done. We really need the death penalty for stuff like this, with an expedited process so these criminals don't get three hots and a cot for decades, and wind up dying of natural causes in prison after 30 years.
OUR JUSTICE SYSTEM IS BROKE AND WONT BE FIXED WITHOUT......
 
This one gave me chills. Several years ago in front of a Fred Myers in Bellingham, I witnessed a thief steal an older womans purse right out of the shopping cart as she wheeled to the car. I was 5-6 feet or so behind her. Obviously had her targeted. He ran by, grabbed the purse and kept running. My immediate instinct was to chase. He turned on the gas when he was aware of me. Zipped through traffic and disaapeared. I did give a follow up statement to the police later, best description I could give of the perp. Never heard another word after that.
 
A while back? It just happened 3 days ago.

Maybe you are talking about the 86 year old that got stabbed at Fred Meyer? That was two weeks ago I think.
This thread

 
This thread

That's in Bonney lake in Sept. 2024. This is in Portland Oregon 3 days ago.
 
That's in Bonney lake in Sept. 2024. This is in Portland Oregon 3 days ago.
Yes, and believe it or not I do have a very firm grasp of both geography and time :)
The point of that thread I linked to was all about doing or not doing something in a case like this, and as far as I remember the general consensus was "not" because of the very real possibility of this exact tragic outcome
 
Yes, and believe it or not I do have a very firm grasp of both geography and time :)
The point of that thread I linked to was all about doing or not doing something in a case like this, and as far as I remember the general consensus was "not" because of the very real possibility of this exact tragic outcome
Oh when you said a "thread on this" I thought you meant a thread on this event.
 
Sad that he missed the big thread we had on that a while back
He probably was anti gun but if people in a pro gun forum all agree its not worth the risk its worth noting.

Related, there was more recently here a long thread discussing the merits of shooting thieves over property theft, IIRC the consensus there was more split on if we should be legal. Not to revive that thread, but to reinforce its not worth going to the fight.
 
I'm disabled so, I wouldn't try and fight with someone over something like a purse. But if it was my wife's purse I might be justified in shooting the perp as once he has her purse, he now has a firearm. I'm physically in bad enough shape that even an unarmed attack on my person could be deadly.

I just try to keep out of situations where I might have to use lethal force. Someone stealing the purse of someone I don't know, or stealing from a business is just not something that I want to get tangled up in. If people leave me and mine alone, they will never even know I am armed. And, we all get to go home at the end of the day.
 
I first heard about this on nextdoor when it happened couple days ago. 122nd and Glisan Fred Meyer. Robber was trying to steal a woman's purse. Robber shot Good Samaritan. That's what they said on next door anyway.

Have seen this exact thing before in Pdx and clackamas counties. Robber follows woman to her car and as soon as she is in car takes her purse. I'll have to check nextdoor and see if there are any more details like was gun visible at time of robbery.

Did not read this article yet.


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Yeah quite sad. Just goes to remind us all that while it may seem like the right thing to do, nobody's belongings are worth your life. That man most likely had kids. They don't get to hug their dad anymore. Still though good on him for standing up for what's right.
 
There is a lesson here. Today I read in the paper that a man was killed down in Renton when he tried to prevent a thief from taking his car. We don't like crooks to take our things. But do we want to endanger our lives over property? It's a decision made on a personal basis but often in a moment of pure anger. If they are just taking material goods, maybe think twice about potentially getting involved in violence. Especially at three o'clock in the morning as was the case in Renton.

It used to be that only certain violent types of crooks carried firearms on the job. Purse snatchers, common burglars, etc. didn't used to go armed. Many wanted to avoid the extra charges of being in possession of a firearm during the commission of a crime if caught. Now, that barrier seems to be falling. In the case of the Portland Fred Meyer robbery turned murder, two teenagers have been accused. You can never tell what clueless youth are going to get up to; they are too young to know what they are doing.

Certainly I draw the line at home invasion. But I'm really going to think twice about close combat and confrontation over goods. Then there is the thing where if you are carrying concealed and the confrontation escalates. If you intervened on your own volition resulting in a killing, it might not set well with a prosecutor. Or the "estate" of the deceased crook. It's all such a sorry state of affairs.

There is the thought that if we sit back and allow crooks to take our stuff, they will just take more. I don't know how to answer that.
 
There is a lesson here. Today I read in the paper that a man was killed down in Renton when he tried to prevent a thief from taking his car. We don't like crooks to take our things. But do we want to endanger our lives over property? It's a decision made on a personal basis but often in a moment of pure anger. If they are just taking material goods, maybe think twice about potentially getting involved in violence. Especially at three o'clock in the morning as was the case in Renton.

It used to be that only certain violent types of crooks carried firearms on the job. Purse snatchers, common burglars, etc. didn't used to go armed. Many wanted to avoid the extra charges of being in possession of a firearm during the commission of a crime if caught. Now, that barrier seems to be falling. In the case of the Portland Fred Meyer robbery turned murder, two teenagers have been accused. You can never tell what clueless youth are going to get up to; they are too young to know what they are doing.

Certainly I draw the line at home invasion. But I'm really going to think twice about close combat and confrontation over goods. Then there is the thing where if you are carrying concealed and the confrontation escalates. If you intervened on your own volition resulting in a killing, it might not set well with a prosecutor. Or the "estate" of the deceased crook. It's all such a sorry state of affairs.

There is the thought that if we sit back and allow crooks to take our stuff, they will just take more. I don't know how to answer that.
Looks to me like the good guy in both this and the Fred Meyer killing were unarmed.

 
There is a lesson here. Today I read in the paper that a man was killed down in Renton when he tried to prevent a thief from taking his car. We don't like crooks to take our things. But do we want to endanger our lives over property? It's a decision made on a personal basis but often in a moment of pure anger. If they are just taking material goods, maybe think twice about potentially getting involved in violence. Especially at three o'clock in the morning as was the case in Renton.

It used to be that only certain violent types of crooks carried firearms on the job. Purse snatchers, common burglars, etc. didn't used to go armed. Many wanted to avoid the extra charges of being in possession of a firearm during the commission of a crime if caught. Now, that barrier seems to be falling. In the case of the Portland Fred Meyer robbery turned murder, two teenagers have been accused. You can never tell what clueless youth are going to get up to; they are too young to know what they are doing.

Certainly I draw the line at home invasion. But I'm really going to think twice about close combat and confrontation over goods. Then there is the thing where if you are carrying concealed and the confrontation escalates. If you intervened on your own volition resulting in a killing, it might not set well with a prosecutor. Or the "estate" of the deceased crook. It's all such a sorry state of affairs.

There is the thought that if we sit back and allow crooks to take our stuff, they will just take more. I don't know how to answer that.
If the crooks are taking more it means the laws are not effective enough of a deterrence, thats a political problem it seems these days thats out of our hands.
The lesson here is like everything in life everyone needs discernment when or if to get involved, its virtually never worth it to involve oneself into a situation if they dont have to.
 

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