Who suggested he's not? And cops are authorized to be cops on the clock or not. Based on the video I think the cop can articulate a reasonable fear that the people being drawn on by the victim were in danger, hence he was prompted to act with lethal force. My guess is this will go down as a justified shooting based on the facts thus far.
I'm surprised you actually got a PD response. It would be a miracle in Portland proper.
This is one of the RARE times when the news is sharing enough for me to not worry they are trying to paint this a certain way at least. Could VERY well be more to it but, the outside camera's show the shooter go after these people from the place they supposedly stole, to where he shot them. Now it would NOT surprise me in the least if this was not some "good guy" trying to stop some "do bads" and the media is hiding something. Just as written, taken as being "real", makes a good lesson to those who choose to carry. Don't try to be a Cop because you have a gun.
Well, this isn't "the news." It is a direct video from Phoenix PD. I want to know what happened before the body cam was switched on, ie, how did we arrive at the scene of a guy holding two or more people at gunpoint? What did witnesses say? Was there a threat from the alleged shoplifters? Was the victim connected in any way to the store? Or was he just being a vigilante? Lots of questions remain to be answered. But in the end we have a noncompliant armed citizen shot by a LEO. Hence, will probably go down as a justified shooting. And a really good object lesson for all of us who choose to carry.This is one of the RARE times when the news is sharing enough for me to not worry they are trying to paint this a certain way at least. Could VERY well be more to it but, the outside camera's show the shooter go after these people from the place they supposedly stole, to where he shot them. Now it would NOT surprise me in the least if this was not some "good guy" trying to stop some "do bads" and the media is hiding something. Just as written, taken as being "real", makes a good lesson to those who choose to carry. Don't try to be a Cop because you have a gun.
I have been carrying for over 4 decades. The state I grew up in was WAY ahead of most of the US on CC. We had what amounted to shall issue, even though it was not written as shall issue for decades, since before I was old enough to buy a gun. Since I started playing on the net I have heard an over the top number of people claim they were just waiting for their chance to "play Cop" since they could legally carry. It has always had me shaking my head that so many even said they wanted to do this. So I hope maybe some who think that way will maybe read stuff like this and maybe stop before they pull some stunt like this?
Sadly I have seen this happen more times than I can remember here. A CPL has always been super easy to get here. This sadly has lead to some amazing cases of over the top poor judgment. The worst part is the media just loves it when they can run with it.
I wonder how many of these instances involve new gun owners? Or maybe it's just how everyone is so quick to anger nowadays? Or maybe general anxiety? Just thinking out loud, not making any particular point.Sadly I have seen this happen more times than I can remember here. A CPL has always been super easy to get here. This sadly has lead to some amazing cases of over the top poor judgment. The worst part is the media just loves it when they can run with it.
No idea but, I have lost track of the people who "claimed" they were chomping at the bit to do something just like this. Many of them are probably keyboard cowboys but, if even 10% really want to do this? Sooner or later some of them will have a chance. Odds are VERY good they will end up wishing they had not played Cop when its all over. Little late then of course
One would hope so but after reading some of the posts on another forum I previously mentioned (where I got called a coward) I doubt if they read/see stuff like this it will change anything.
What if they stole the last pack a Slim Jims?!!!
Then they just choot 'em
I hear what u are saying. That kind of goes along with the "I'm fed up up"/quick to anger thing. I think the "quick to anger" thing is largely fueled by social media etc that tries to get us to have an emotional response to everything. If we are bombarded with having a knee jerk emotional response all day everyday we are more likely to jump to that kind of reaction in the real world. Just my theory.
I have been saying for a good while that the push to let all crime be ignored is going to lead to a lot of this. The story here about the guy who killed the scum who was stealing hit CAT while he was sleeping in the vehicle as an example. Many are at the breaking point with crime. This is going to push a few to just shoot someone.
This is why it is critical to get proper training, whether the government requires it or not. By training I mean knowing when NOT to pull your roscoe, which is about 99.99% of the time.Sadly I have seen this happen more times than I can remember here. A CPL has always been super easy to get here. This sadly has lead to some amazing cases of over the top poor judgment. The worst part is the media just loves it when they can run with it.
Yeah, it's good IMO to wargame this sort of thing out in your head periodically and have your general options thought out. In this case it's simple for me; try to stay out of the way. Even if there are shots coming my way, my first priority is to the ongoing safety and wellbeing of my family. That means first make sure they are out of danger, and then do whatever it takes to get safe myself.
I think it's only one, and sadly we'll never know his motivation since he's likely now resting in the Earth. But let's hope his death was not in vain and that someone will take away a valuable lesson here.
