Man Disarms Bad Guy, Gets Shot by Police

[RicInOR]

He Disarmed a Gun-Wielding Menace in a San Jose Taqueria. Then the Cops Shot Him.

Police won't release body cam footage of disputed incident for 45 days. Kaun Green may have saved some lives. When…

reason.com

Video from Officers is not released per policy - will be in time.
There is a dispute over the time elapsed from when the Cops ordered him to "drop the weapon" until he is actually shot.

San Jose officer shoots 20-year-old college athlete who disarmed suspect inside taqueria, police say

Green is now recovering after being shot in the abs, an arm, and a leg. His lawyer says at this point they plan to file a lawsuit and bring this case in front of a jury.

abc7news.com

Armed Man Shot by Police During Fight at SJ Taqueria Didn't Bring Gun to Restaurant: Chief

A man holding a gun who was shot by an officer during a fight at a San Jose taqueria early Sunday morning didn’t bring the weapon to the restaurant, but he also didn’t drop it when officers ordered him to, police said Tuesday.

www.nbcbayarea.com

In any case, don't be the one holding the gun when the cops come in.
Put it somewhere you can control - maybe in the trash?

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[Knobgoblin]

Kick the mag in the gutter, and just lay down empty gun??
Idk

 

[bionic knees]

I certainly don't blame the cops for being on edge these days but it sure seems like they are shooting a lot of people that don't need shot!

 

[RyanG90]

I feel like most cops are scared these days, when in doubt, trigger finger out.

 

[RVTECH]

I feel like most cops are scared these days, when in doubt, trigger finger out.

Maybe tough to accept but this is most likely the case.

Especially given the situation of (from the article):
there was a struggle for the gun and that it was held by multiple people during the brawl inside the La Victoria Taqueria
And
"Officers gave repeated commands to drop the gun," Mata said. "However, the individual does not drop the gun and one officer shot more than one time, striking the individual."

Unfortunately in a situation like this the LEO has to take the situation at 'face value' and not hesitate - or he may be the one shot.

 

[SrMachoSolo]

Must be some damn good tacos.

-Robert

 

[Alexx1401]

Since the body cam has not been released its pretty hard to tell what happened. I read that there was witness video but did not see any in the articles for some reason. It will be interesting to see the body cam video when they make it public. Does not seem to me like the PD there is doing themselves any favors by not releasing it now. Just feeds the narrative that they have something to hide by holding out.

 

[RicInOR]

I agree, 45 days seems like a very long time.
A few days 4-5 ok, but it is better to get ahead of any incident.

 

[patrikky]

Maybe tough to accept but this is most likely the case.

Especially given the situation of (from the article):
there was a struggle for the gun and that it was held by multiple people during the brawl inside the La Victoria Taqueria
And
"Officers gave repeated commands to drop the gun," Mata said. "However, the individual does not drop the gun and one officer shot more than one time, striking the individual."

Unfortunately in a situation like this the LEO has to take the situation at 'face value' and not hesitate - or he may be the one shot.

Lets wait and see the video before judging. Just because someone is holding a gun doesn't mean an officer has a green light to pew pew pew.

 

[The B]

probably the best thing to do in a situation like that is take the gun, shoot the perp in the head, unload it and slide it under his dead bubblegum body and go get a coffee while you call 911.

absofukinlutely zero chance youre gonna see me waiting around for police to show up muzzles first when anything gun related has happened. those dudes do not ask questions.

 

[PORSCHE928S4]

You had me at gun and tacos !

 

[red442joe]

I feel like most cops are scared these days, when in doubt, trigger finger out.

McDonalds is always hiring.

Joe

 

[L84Cabo]

Just because someone is holding a gun doesn't mean an officer has a green light to pew pew pew.

I'm going to disagree with that. Most certainly you should not bet your life on that philosophy.

The police are not required to sit there and "wait and see what the dude does with the gun" before they start shooting. They are NOT required to let the guy get the first shots off, before they return fire. If they perceive a threat...and a dude with a gun is pretty much universally perceived as a threat...they're going to start shooting at the slightest flinch, movement, eye blink, etc. They do not have the luxury of time in that situation.

No matter how big of a suck sandwich you've been dealt, you MUST get the gun out of your hands BEFORE the cops roll in...or another CCW holder comes along and thinks you're the bad guy.

 

[Member 53328]

Here come all the experts on what the cops should or shouldn't do in a potential life and death scenario….. so much talk from such a lack of experience. But hey it's the internet so we all have a platform to be professional in the field of conversation….

 

[patrikky]

I'm going to disagree with that. Most certainly you should not bet your life on that philosophy.

The police are not required to sit there and "wait and see what the dude does with the gun" before they start shooting. They are NOT required to let the guy get the first shots off, before they return fire. If they perceive a threat...and a dude with a gun is pretty much universally perceived as a threat...they're going to start shooting at the slightest flinch, movement, eye blink, etc. They do not have the luxury of time in that situation.

No matter how big of a suck sandwich you've been dealt, you MUST get the gun out of your hands BEFORE the cops roll in...or another CCW holder comes along and thinks you're the bad guy.

One shouldn't be a cop or probably shouldn't even own a FIREARM if one thinks another armed man is universally perceived as a threat for simply being armed and then shoot said person at the slightest flinch or eye movement. Wow. Just wow.

 

[L84Cabo]

One shouldn't be a cop or probably shouldn't even own a FIREARM if one thinks another armed man is universally perceived as a threat for simply being armed and then shoot said person at the slightest flinch or eye movement. Wow. Just wow.

We can talk all day about how the world SHOULD be. And...I mean...wow...just wow...it's a shame unicorns aren't real too.

 

[patrikky]

I'm going to disagree with that. Most certainly you should not bet your life on that philosophy.

The police are not required to sit there and "wait and see what the dude does with the gun" before they start shooting. They are NOT required to let the guy get the first shots off, before they return fire. If they perceive a threat...and a dude with a gun is pretty much universally perceived as a threat...they're going to start shooting at the slightest flinch, movement, eye blink, etc. They do not have the luxury of time in that situation.

No matter how big of a suck sandwich you've been dealt, you MUST get the gun out of your hands BEFORE the cops roll in...or another CCW holder comes along and thinks you're the bad guy.

I am not going to shoot someone unless their gun is pointed menacingly in my direction or if I can reasonably ascertain that they are going to use deadly force on someone else. If one pew pews someone else simply because they are armed, without provocation one shouldn't be a cop or for that matter even own a firearm. This what I originally wrote but the forum wouldn't let me post as it was posting under your username.

 

[patrikky]

We can talk all day about how the world SHOULD be. And...I mean...wow...just wow...it's a shame unicorns aren't real too.

No you're talking foolishness. If an man pointed a gun at you or made menacing or irrational moves I get it. Otherwise I don't. Anyway enough said.