Mainstream Doctors Say Supporting the 2nd Amendment is a Mental Disorder

[DMax]

Still think national healthcare is a good idea. I am calling my doc if he is a lib he's fired.



Mainstream Doctors Say Supporting the 2nd Amendment is a Mental Disorder

Read More

 

[Cigarlvr313]

Supporting the obama administration is a mental disorder if you ask me.

 

[Uberdillo]

This reminds me, I'm outta tinfoil.

 

[Mark W.]

My doctor was going on and on about how he and his buddy have just bought SW AR-15 clones. And how he was trying to stock up on ammo before it got any more expensive.

We get along real well.

 

[Lefty175]

The article does not go so far as to say a majority of physicians oppose gun ownership. I'd be interested in knowing what type of professional support they are getting? Is it from 15% of doctors? More? Less?

My own little anecdote that might help ease the fear in some people's minds: I'm currently a medical student, at my school I was introduced to guns and quickly became the owner of 2 of my own. We having a thriving, although on the downlow, guns and ammo club. While that club is small it includes both students and faculty. Furthermore, the club does not represent the full devotion to guns I have witnessed at medical school. Here we have many Mormon students who are known for their stockpiles of weapons and supplies.

So while it sounds like a few "mainstream" voices were heard in this article, I have seen quite a gun culture in my time in the medical profession.

 

[Grunwald]

Are they interviewing doctors from state like NY,MA and WI and ignoring TN, TX and AK?

 

[deadeye]

This reminds me, I'm outta tinfoil.

Costco (huge rolls).

 

[pogi]

Doctors for Responsible Gun Ownership

 

[hermannr]

Don't know about some doctors, but OC's my CZ85 into our local medical clinic just yesterday...no-one noticed.

 

[bolus]

what?

"The medical industry in conjunction with Big Pharma want to classify the right to keep and bear arms as a mental disorder in another power grab to circumvent and eventually destroy our Constitutional 2nd Amendment."

what????

big pharma is in a conspiracy with the medical industry to destroy the 2nd amendment? That doesnt even make sense... what is big pharma going to do when the 2nd amendment is gone? sell more viagra?

I think I had a stroke just reading that sentence.

At least it kind of makes sense when people think I know the cure for diabetes but wont share it with my patients so that I can make huge profits (though I actually do know the cure)

 

[Dunerunner]

Not to disagree with obviously highly educated and learned men of medicine, but isn't assuming the role of a victim more psychotic and lemming like than being determined to survive and defend yourself and your family?

Where does the brainwashing start for these asshats?

 

[deen_ad]

Here in the US there are something like 10 times as many people killed by medical "mistakes" than by guns every year. Obviously the medical profession (and the Gov't) is looking at the wrong info if they want to cut down on deaths.

Deaths from avoidable medical error more than double in past decade, investigation shows

"The total number of iatrogenic deaths shown in the following table is 783,936. It is evident that the American medical system is the leading cause of death and injury in the United States"

From: http://www.newmediaexplorer.org/sep...s_leading_cause_of_death_and_injury_in_us.htm

"Of the total 323,993 deaths among Medicare patients in those years who developed one or more patient-safety incidents, 263,864, or 81 percent, of these deaths were directly attributable to the incident(s)."

From: http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/11856.php

"In 2003 there were 6,328,000 car accidents in the US. There were 2.9 million injuries and 42,643 people were killed in auto accidents."

From: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_many_deaths_are_caused_by_car_accidents_a_year#ixzz1Cpn4wPAZ

"In the U.S. for 2006, there were 30,896 deaths from firearms, distributed as follows by mode of death: Suicide 16,883; Homicide 12,791; Accident 642; Legal Intervention 360; Undetermined 220."

http://library.med.utah.edu/WebPath/TUTORIAL/GUNS/GUNSTAT.html

 

[particleman]

The author blithely asserts that the shootings in Colorado and Wisconsin were staged. My guess is that someone forgot to take his meds again.

 

[Just Jim]

Guns Don’t Kill People, Doctors Kill People!

 

[AMProducts]

Originally, I was going to try to come up with a post here where I walked a middle line, labeling "some" doctors as anti-freedom extremists. And then I spent a few minutes thinking about the bulk of my experiences with doctors... complaining that I drink too much, smoke too much, eat too much red meat. Of all the people who work for me, doctors generally are my least favorite, they complain the most, charge the most, and usually deliver a quality of service somewhere between poor and dismal. In general I receive better care from the people who are nearer the rubber-road interface of the healthcare system... Nurses and PAs.

It strikes me, that instead of complaining about guns, people who like guns, or any of the other "soft targets" that plague human kind on planet earth, they should focus on one thing first: Customer Service. Maybe once you guys eradicate polio, malaria, aids or cancer come back and we can talk about that gun thing. Until then, it seems doctors have too much work to be doing to worry about guns.

 

[Riot]

FYI, for those of you that are dismissing the link as a biased form of media and are not believing anything in the article based on this fact-

Doctors target gun violence as a social disease

(below are snips from the article....bold is mine)

"People used to spear themselves and we blamed the drivers for that," said Dr. Garen Wintemute, an emergency medicine professor who directs the Violence Prevention Research Program at the University of California, Davis.

It wasn't enough back then to curb deaths just by trying to make people better drivers, and it isn't enough now to tackle gun violence by focusing solely on the people doing the shooting, he and other doctors say.

They want a science-based, pragmatic approach based on the reality that we live in a society saturated with guns and need better ways of preventing harm from them.

"What I'm struggling with is, is this the new social norm? This is what we're going to have to live with if we have more personal access to firearms," said Hargarten, emergency medicine chief at Froedtert Hospital and director of the Injury Research Center at the Medical College of Wisconsin. "We have a public health issue to discuss. Do we wait for the next outbreak or is there something we can do to prevent it?"

Dr. David Satcher tried to make gun violence a public health issue when he became CDC director in 1993. Four years later, laws that allow the carrying of concealed weapons drew attention when two women were shot at an Indianapolis restaurant after a patron's gun fell out of his pocket and accidentally fired. Ironically, the victims were health educators in town for an American Public Health Association convention.

"Unlike almost all other consumer products, there is no national product safety oversight of firearms," he wrote in the Wisconsin Medical Journal.

Sounds like your typical Liberal agenda to take advantage of two tragedies (Aurora and the Sikh Temple shootings) by quoting a doctor to make it a "medical issue" rather than an issue of self defense, the Constitution or government control.

 

[keystir]

Anyone who disagrees with me has a mental disorder......

I may have missed it in the article, which is very misleading at best, but I didn't see where anyone actually said that supporters of the 2nd amendment have a mental disorder.

 

[Riot]

...I didn't see where anyone actually said that supporters of the 2nd amendment have a mental disorder.

Do I have to quote the entire article?

One recent study found firearm owners were more likely than those with no firearms at home to binge drink or to drink and drive, and other research has tied alcohol and gun violence.

Disease patterns, observing how a problem spreads. Gun ownership — a precursor to gun violence — can spread "much like an infectious disease circulates," said Daniel Webster, a health policy expert and co-director of the Johns Hopkins Center for Gun Policy and Research in Baltimore.

"There's sort of a contagion phenomenon" after a shooting, where people feel they need to have a gun for protection or retaliation, he said.

That's already evident in the wake of the Colorado movie-theater shootings. Last week, reports popped up around the nation of people bringing guns to "Batman" movies. Some of them said they did so for protection.

Although it never flat out states that anyone carrying has a mental disorder, I (personally) don't like being told that my decision to refuse to be a victim is related to a "contagion phenomenon" from our culture having easy access to firearms. Firearms are also being compared to other products that have come under regulation, such as driving.

One example: Guardrails are now curved to the ground instead of having sharp metal ends that stick out and pose a hazard in a crash.

"People used to spear themselves and we blamed the drivers for that," said Dr. Garen Wintemute, an emergency medicine professor who directs the Violence Prevention Research Program at the University of California, Davis.

It wasn't enough back then to curb deaths just by trying to make people better drivers, and it isn't enough now to tackle gun violence by focusing solely on the people doing the shooting, he and other doctors say.

Ironically to make driving safer they made the roads safer. Shifting the blame for the "spearing" from the driver to the curb, we now switch the blame from the gun owner to the gun when the correct correlation would have been the environment of the gun owner. Cars are no more or less dangerious from the guard rails being modified and drivers are somehow safer on the roads. I guess everyone should be wearing bullet proof vests for that comparison to apply by the Doctor's standards...but what do I know?

It is an indirect way of saying "we know what is better for you, guns are dangerious, I know because I'm a doctor." If you didn't reach that conclusion by the article then there isn't too much help for you...click "unsubscribe" and move on.

 

[deen_ad]

Doctors target gun violence as a social disease

Of course they want it labeled a social disease so the gov't can pass regulations to disarm citizens since they can't do it with laws through the legislature.

Same with calling guns an unsafe product. Sue the manufacturer for producing an unsafe product. Win Win situation: if the gun goes off when pointed at someone it's obviously unsafe even though a person had to pull the trigger. But, conversely, sue the gun manufacturer if it doesn't go off and you're injured by the attacker.

 

[DMax]

The sole purpose of Obamacare is to control the masses including Doc's in practice and financial the gov pays for it they own you. I don't know how much clearer it can get yet 48% of America thinks that it their right (to be controlled, that's a mental disease). The pretend 2A Libs say that is just fear mongering and show me the proof. History is all the proof we need. Bush gave us the patriot act under the guise to protect us and under honorable men no problem then we have seen the expansion of gov (TSA Grope while compliant Americans line up comes to mind) into our Dailey lives at all levels with the current regime. It takes all of the constitution to make freedom and liberty work in a free society yet the current regime and its followers leave the 2nd alone for the time being so in the end when they have burned the majority of the constitution yet the 2A still stands so with all the focus on the last one standing really how hard would it be to end it. But hey who would ever want to think that far ahead because that is just tin foil and fear mongering just ask the pretenders.

Leftists always talk about fairness and never talk about Freedom

Politicians are not the problem the people that vote them in are

End Rant