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Yes, the Venetian's security officers certainly looked "highly trained."
Let's see if the hotel installs metal detectors at the doors now.
Another Vegas hotel to cross off my list.
Let's see if the hotel installs metal detectors at the doors now.
Another Vegas hotel to cross off my list.
Very erratic way to enforce their rules if people can walk in carrying in their luggage or on their hip, but not in a a suitcase that's given to a bellboy.
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Super obese and illiterate, lololol, but then so are most of the remaining popo these dayz
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My takeaway is don't hand your bags with your gun to someone you don't know!
If you did not hand them off they would have no right to search them.
This is no different than handing your bags to a TSA agent.
The reason you could walk right by the desk with your gun is it is still under your control. The guy handed control to a bellhop. DR
If you did not hand them off they would have no right to search them.
This is no different than handing your bags to a TSA agent.
The reason you could walk right by the desk with your gun is it is still under your control. The guy handed control to a bellhop. DR
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While I generally like TFB content, I think this whole thing makes them look like @$$holes. The Venetian clearly has a no-gun policy, and likely established a bag screening program following the Vegas shooting. From their website
Regarding the confusion of the security guards, many large venues use different security teams for different purposes. For example, unarmed security, routine escorts, access control, and basic incident response might be handled by one team while another provides armed security, VIP escorts, cash transfer security, and responds to incidents that escalate beyond what an unarmed guard can handle. In fact, they may even be from different security providers entirely, depending on how the Venetian runs their shop. To add to the confusion, the SHOT Show team has their own security to control access at the event, which is definitely a different security provider than the one servicing the Venetian hotel.
The Venetian security folks took him to SHOT Show's security desk because he was an attendee of the event. This is likely different than their normal process because SHOT show was ongoing, which would explain the confusion of the guards he encountered, and why they had to walk all over the place. This also may explain why the guard at the end asked him for a business card. This is supposition on my part, but they may have been asked by their client (SHOT Show) to provide a report on any attendees who had firearms confiscated during the event or their hotel stay. SHOT may also have their own policies that require following up with folks who get their guns confiscated.
In short, it was chaotic because at least 2 different vendors and at least 3 different security teams were involved, each with their own procedures to follow set by their clients, which may or may not make sense. Hotel policy and venue policy were likely in conflict, and the procedure for dealing with guns belonging to attendees staying at the hotel was not well-defined or clearly communicated to the security teams expected to enforce it.
While I'm sure it was a frustrating situation for the guy, I don't have much sympathy for him for several reasons:
1. What kind of idiot hands the bag with his gun in it off to someone they don't know? Hotel employee or not, that gun is your responsibility, and that stupid little travel vault doesn't take much effort to break open.
2. He violated the policy of a private company on their property and suffered the consequences for it. We can argue about whether the search is invasion of privacy, but I guarantee they had something in fine print about security having authority to search bags, hotel rooms, and/or vehicles to ensure the safety of guests. Sh!t happens, and it could have been much worse - they could have cancelled his reservation entirely and said "sorry, guns aren't allowed". The fact that they have a gun check at all was almost as surprising as them actively screening bags.
3. He outed all the folks he was traveling with as having violated the Venetian's firearm policy - not a good move if they want to go to SHOT again next year.
His comment about how everyone else carried a gun in with no problems was extremely dumb. They carried in with no problems because nobody noticed they were carrying. Had someone noticed, they would have been asked to either check their guns in or leave.
Regarding the confusion of the security guards, many large venues use different security teams for different purposes. For example, unarmed security, routine escorts, access control, and basic incident response might be handled by one team while another provides armed security, VIP escorts, cash transfer security, and responds to incidents that escalate beyond what an unarmed guard can handle. In fact, they may even be from different security providers entirely, depending on how the Venetian runs their shop. To add to the confusion, the SHOT Show team has their own security to control access at the event, which is definitely a different security provider than the one servicing the Venetian hotel.
The Venetian security folks took him to SHOT Show's security desk because he was an attendee of the event. This is likely different than their normal process because SHOT show was ongoing, which would explain the confusion of the guards he encountered, and why they had to walk all over the place. This also may explain why the guard at the end asked him for a business card. This is supposition on my part, but they may have been asked by their client (SHOT Show) to provide a report on any attendees who had firearms confiscated during the event or their hotel stay. SHOT may also have their own policies that require following up with folks who get their guns confiscated.
In short, it was chaotic because at least 2 different vendors and at least 3 different security teams were involved, each with their own procedures to follow set by their clients, which may or may not make sense. Hotel policy and venue policy were likely in conflict, and the procedure for dealing with guns belonging to attendees staying at the hotel was not well-defined or clearly communicated to the security teams expected to enforce it.
While I'm sure it was a frustrating situation for the guy, I don't have much sympathy for him for several reasons:
1. What kind of idiot hands the bag with his gun in it off to someone they don't know? Hotel employee or not, that gun is your responsibility, and that stupid little travel vault doesn't take much effort to break open.
2. He violated the policy of a private company on their property and suffered the consequences for it. We can argue about whether the search is invasion of privacy, but I guarantee they had something in fine print about security having authority to search bags, hotel rooms, and/or vehicles to ensure the safety of guests. Sh!t happens, and it could have been much worse - they could have cancelled his reservation entirely and said "sorry, guns aren't allowed". The fact that they have a gun check at all was almost as surprising as them actively screening bags.
3. He outed all the folks he was traveling with as having violated the Venetian's firearm policy - not a good move if they want to go to SHOT again next year.
Tell the a_sshats to go to hell and then go to a different hotel. This is how it starts people, when the average everyday jackoff thinks that they can search another person's property when they do not have the authority to do so. This is how it works when people are told to rat others out and also to single out certain groups of people...
Germany, Soviet Union, China... shall I go on?
Shot show or no shot show.... f_uck the stasi...
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Well, put me firmly in the camp that believes if a citizen is legal to own and carry a firearm, hotels should allow them to do so with no drama. That said, James did turn the situation into high drama for his blog.
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This ^^^
Mandalay Bay got caught with their pants down.
I think it was reported that the hotel's porters actually (unknowingly) brought the luggage containing the weapons up to the shooter's room.
However, The Venetian was incompetent in the way they handled the situation.
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The Venetian's policy certainly sucks. But who their right mind just turns their bag over to a bellhop when there's a gun in the freakin bag? That's just nuts!
I realize the gun was in a locked case but stuff gets stolen out of luggage and rooms at hotels all the time. And in the vast majority of those instances, it's hotel employees doing the stealing...maids...BELLHOPS...etc.
That was incredibly irresponsible of him. All because he just needed a beer and to gamble so bad that he couldn't take 10 stupid minutes to walk his bag up to his room himself. Maybe this was God's way of giving him a warning not to do stupid stuff.
I realize the gun was in a locked case but stuff gets stolen out of luggage and rooms at hotels all the time. And in the vast majority of those instances, it's hotel employees doing the stealing...maids...BELLHOPS...etc.
That was incredibly irresponsible of him. All because he just needed a beer and to gamble so bad that he couldn't take 10 stupid minutes to walk his bag up to his room himself. Maybe this was God's way of giving him a warning not to do stupid stuff.
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I stayed in Henderson a few years ago at a big casino Hotel. Each floor has its own manager type. They knocked on my door one evening and just wanted to do a room check. I opened the door wide open when she knocked so she could see in all the way. She made a quick glance at the room and then BS'd with me for a bit. Really nice gal and she did that job really well, quick glance and then some pleasantries and off she went. Never spoke about guns or searches just that she needed to check the room.
I was checked in under my departments name so they knew I worked in law enforcement.
They can do all the room checks they want just don't search my bags unless I say so. I had a hotel remove a towel from my bag once thinking it was theirs. I got my towel back after a brief explanation about privacy and them digging into a closed piece of luggage.
I was checked in under my departments name so they knew I worked in law enforcement.
They can do all the room checks they want just don't search my bags unless I say so. I had a hotel remove a towel from my bag once thinking it was theirs. I got my towel back after a brief explanation about privacy and them digging into a closed piece of luggage.
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This is not directed at any specific individual:
The hotel is private property, with very obvious rules for any guests.
What rules do you have regarding your private property ?
The hotel is private property, with very obvious rules for any guests.
What rules do you have regarding your private property ?
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Definitely.
And guests can vote with their dollars if they don't like those rules.
I've never heard of a room check before. Blah.
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In the video at 11:48, when the guard was explaining the situation to someone over the phone, he said "He's trying to pick up something from the vault, he doesn't have his other ticket, but he has his ID that matches. And it has his name, his address, his information and everything, he just doesn't have the other half of the ticket." It sounds to me like the guard was sure it was his gun and was just trying to find a way to give it back to him without getting in trouble. Also note that there was a cut right after that in the video, which may be nothing or may not be.
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What a bizarre way to do things.
That they went through his bags without telling him? Then the moronic way they dealt with it after? Sure looks like they are trying to make sure they never have to worry about being over booked.
That they went through his bags without telling him? Then the moronic way they dealt with it after? Sure looks like they are trying to make sure they never have to worry about being over booked.
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