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Luger 7.65 Questions

Discussion in 'Handgun Discussion' started by mjn, Mar 11, 2012.

  1. mjn

    mjn Tri-Cities, Wa Active Member

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    Who here is a pro at identifying Lugers?

    I'll try and post some pics of it later on, but what I remember is it has the DWM markings on the top-back area.
    The bottom of the mag is wood.

    The one thing I'm noticing is every one I look at online is dull and rough compared to mine. Mine has an incredible gloss finish, it is absolutely beautiful in every way shape and form.... I think it's been re-blued.

    I'll get back on later this evening with it in my hand & get more info, but do we have people (s) here that are good at deciphering exactly what I've got??

    Thanks in advance
     
  2. motoman98

    motoman98 Gresham, OR Active Member

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    Or, get a book on Lugers. I got one on Mausers, answered alot.
     
  3. mjn

    mjn Tri-Cities, Wa Active Member

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    Hey...c'mon man.. I'm into instant gratification... :) I just figured someone here would be able to help me figure out what I've got...

    Here goes;

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    # 82 matching the #82 on the back of the slide;
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    obvious work done to the finish..
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    So.... what do you think? Any idea what year it is or where it originated??
     
  4. PaulZ

    PaulZ Oregon City Active Member

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  5. EMP9596

    EMP9596 Two Trees West of Camas, WA. Active Member

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    4th foto from the shows the (Dutch) DWM or Duetsche Waffen-und Munitionsfabriken AG and I believe which was used on toggle links until production of the Parabellum, then transferred to the Mauser factory in 1930. "I think??" the DWM marking was used prior to 1922 and after 1936 and then in two toggle link sizes.
    I have a very good Luger encyclopedia which is on loan in Minnasota at present and it covers all Borchardt Luger's from 1885-1985. Yours does not appear to have any Third Reich markings visible to me?

    mjd
     
  6. PaulZ

    PaulZ Oregon City Active Member

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    I am thinking 1915 or so what if any marks on top of the chamber?
     
  7. mjn

    mjn Tri-Cities, Wa Active Member

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    Been there.. posted basically the same stuff.

    Ok... here are the facts; I don't use this. I don't keep guns that I don't use. I'm just trying to figure out what the heck this thing is worth..
     
  8. mjn

    mjn Tri-Cities, Wa Active Member

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    Nothing except the DWM script...

    The number on the barrel matches the # on the frame...but there are no markings on the top of the barrel at all.
     
  9. EMP9596

    EMP9596 Two Trees West of Camas, WA. Active Member

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    6th foto down is that an N or M and is that a Crown above the letter?

    Any marking under the grips?
     
  10. EMP9596

    EMP9596 Two Trees West of Camas, WA. Active Member

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    Fotos 6&8 appear to have scratches that could possibly be from a wire wheel or severe cleaning?

    I really hope not! (>:}-
     
  11. mjn

    mjn Tri-Cities, Wa Active Member

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    It is an N, and it is really tough to decipher what the heck is above it... it certainly looks like it could be a crown...a small one for sure..
     
  12. mjn

    mjn Tri-Cities, Wa Active Member

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    I can't disagree... it does indeed look as if someone worked it at some point.
     
  13. PaulZ

    PaulZ Oregon City Active Member

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    so you have been to Collectors Firearms and seen the list of lugers for sale. I am sticking with 1915 as a date but it is a commercial gun manufactured between 1914 and 1916. What will kill you is the refinish job with the grinder marks. If you ask half of what the guys are getting for cherry ones you may be OK.
    I was in your shoes awhile back so I am sharing what I learned from my own experience. I am no expert.
     
  14. EMP9596

    EMP9596 Two Trees West of Camas, WA. Active Member

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    Ther is also: Gunboard's Forums

    I have had some pains with markings on Mauser rifles and got good help. Big site..

    Best o luck!
     
  15. Mosinman

    Mosinman Graham, Washington area Member

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    What out for Gunboards, they are a bunch of good ole boys over there. It look like a 1920s comerical luger that has been reblued to me but I'm no expert.
     
  16. chasesdad

    chasesdad enumclaw Member

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    That serial number would put it about 1924.It has been re-blued.Those scrub marks may have come from a wire wheel or brush since in those areas on an untouched weapon you would have seen swirl type machine marks.( I own two dwm lugers and have had them looked at by luger restorers and historians that have been more than willing to spend the time to help me learn what to look for)
    My guess is that whoever owned it before thought they were imperfections and tried to remove them prior to re-bluing.
    It is a numbers matrching weapon so you have that going for you.If you have anymore questions let me know and i will put you in contact with the right people.
     
  17. mjn

    mjn Tri-Cities, Wa Active Member

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    Hey, thanks a lot! We looked thru the book for quite some time, and it's tough to figure out exactly what it "is".. as close as we can deduce is it's a commercial model made somewhere in the early 20's, so your info matches our research.

    If I need any more questions answered, I'll give you a shout.