Lol, ATF trolling power +1000

[Lasers]

I'd take an AR pistol over that, I don't understand the draw?

 

[Lasers]

Can someone explain the draw? I'm not being coy, I just don't get it.

Quick, and I mean first result on google quick, search shows me this:


CALIBER5.56x45mm NATO (.223REM)
LENGTH26.5"WEIGHT5 lb 8 ozUPPER RECEIVERForged Type III Hard Coat Anodized, 7075 T6 AluminumLOWER RECEIVERForged Type III Hard Coat Anodized, 7075 T6 Aluminum w/ Accutite™ Tension SystemBARREL7.5" 416R Stainless Steel, 1:7 Twist, Melonite®GAS SYSTEMDirect Impingement Pistol-Length Gas Port w/ Low Profile Pinned Gas BlockTRIGGERSpringfield Armory® Proprietary, Nickel Boron Coated GISIGHTSNot IncludedTRIGGER GUARDBravo CompanyPISTOL GRIPBravo Company Mod 3HANDGUARDM-LOK Aluminum SA Patent Pending Free Float w/ SA Locking Tabs & Forward Hand StopBUTT STOCKSB Tactical - SBX-K Forearm BraceBUFFER ASSEMBLYCarbine "H" Heavy Tungsten BufferRECEIVER EXTENSIONSA w/ QD Swivel MountCHARGING HANDLEGI StyleBOLT CARRIER GROUPEnhanced M16, Magnetic Particle Tested, Melonite®MAGAZINE1 - 30 Round Magpul PMag Gen 3CASESoft AR-15 Pistol CaseMSRP$989.00



What's better about what they've done?

 

[Boboclown]

What's better about what they've done?

A stock is better than a brace. But other than that, nothing?

 

[CountryGent]

Four to five MOA at 50-yards.

 

[11Charlie]

Four to five MOA at 50-yards.

 

[CountryGent]

And only $2,000 on release.

 

[11Charlie]

And only $2,000 on release.

I'll pass and shoot yours when you get it!

 

[Lasers]

Four to five MOA at 50-yards.

And only $2,000 on release.

I'll pass! I could get a great AR15 Pistol and throw and Eotech on it for less!

Still, appreciate anyone who wants to try to innovate, this one's just not for me.

 

[Will_White]

Hmm since this has straight rifling, I wonder if someone will make a metallic shotgun cartridge based off of like a 45 bushmaster or 50 beowulf for a straight rifled barrel.
EDIT:
Never mind, multiple projectiles would make it a shotgun.

But it begs the question, If someone was to make a 50 beowulf version of this, and someone else makes a shotshell based on beowulf that would chamber in a standard 50 beowulf chamber if it would constitute a redesign if they used it in a straight rifled 50 beowulf.

 

[slimmer13]

These are cool in their own way (Not really my way), but I wonder how these and other NFA work arounds, could be interpreted differently in the future with different ATF leadership and a different administration.

 

[The Heretic]

I still think it is a rifle.

It just has a twist rate of zero.

I am typing this on my phone but I don't recall the law saying anything about twist rate, only rifling.

 

[Will_White]

I still think it is a rifle.

It just has a twist rate of zero.

I am typing this on my phone but I don't recall the law saying anything about twist rate, only rifling.

The law doesn't specify twist rate or define rifling, so in that case dictionaries say that rifling is specifically spiral or helical grooves.

 

[drewp]

wow that interview was brutal, who is the giant tool shed guy doing the interview...doesnt even recognize a set of feedramps, but the weapon looks sexy. brutal.

then the Franklin guy
so at 50 yrds....like 4 moa....well like 4 to 5moa....oh ya and it key holes at 50 yards also....and uh...its like 2 grand...pound sand guys
neat idea, they will make alot of money especially with there projectiles that they will be selling...
the non rifle is dumb but important.., what I do like is the fact that companies like Franklin armory and SB tactical keep pushing the limits and making the NFA pointless.
sb tactical just came out with a 5 postion arm brace that uses a normal milspec buffer tube.

 

[wired]

My favorite was SIG's flash suppressor that looked somewhat similar to a silencer core. The ATF didnt buy that one.

 

[slimmer13]

They should have made it an AK. 4-5 MOA would have been an improvement

 

[The Heretic]

They should have made it an AK. 4-5 MOA would have been an improvement

I get 2 to 3 MOA with off the shelf US 556 ammo and a scope on a Norinco preban AK

 

[slimmer13]

I get 2 to 3 MOA with off the shelf US 556 ammo and a scope on a Norinco preban AK

I know. My WASR is probably in that range. AK guys are notoriously touchy about their accuracy. Sometimes I say things that are technically not true to be funny. I call them jokes

 

[CountryGent]

My favorite was SIG's flash suppressor that looked somewhat similar to a silencer core. The ATF didnt buy that one.

LOL! I remember that one. Not a surprise that this didn't fly, considering this (2:20-ish mark):

 

[Heyjoe]

Four to five MOA at 50-yards.

Did they find the least capable spokesman possible?

Couldn't watch more than three minutes of that- just spit it out man!

 

[CountryGent]