Lock & Load time for Romney @ NRA

[BSG 75]

If no pro-gun people at all vote against Obama, that's a terrible statement. It may not affect an election, but it would affect perception.

What would the perception be if the headline in November read: "Obama easily wins Oregon's electoral votes, despite getting absolutely no votes from gun owners"? The perception would be that gun owners have less political clout than politicians feared, and maybe politicians shouldn't be so afraid of the NRA and gun owners. I don't think that's a perception that we want to encourage.

Taking it a step further, if Romney loses, and his loss is blamed in part because he got only lukewarm support from gun owners, maybe the Republicans will learn that they shouldn't nominate a candidate who is so questionable, flip-floppy, soft, and squishy when it comes to gun rights if they want to win next time.

 

[Dave Workman]

If no pro-gun people at all vote against Obama, that's a terrible statement. It may not affect an election, but it would affect perception.

Oh, and how are you going to prove it?
How do you PROVE beyond a doubt, that no pro-gun people voted for Obama?
I know self-proclaimed pro gun people...probably a few on this forum...who voted for the O-man. And they'll do it again in seven months. Don't ask me why because I've never been able to explain bliss ignorance.

 

[Misterbill]

Romney is NOT our friend for gun rights.

Sorry guys, I lived in Mass when he signed the AWB. This guy couldn't give a rat's *** about our rights.

We're at the point that a president's views on gun rights onlty mean something in terms of Supreme Court nominations. The Senate and Congress make a lot more difference. As for SC nominations, Obama will be a lot more pro-federal intervention. Romney will select Souters (Who, as I hope you'll remember, voted against us in Heller).

Screw em both. I'm voting Paul as a write in.

Both candidates are a joke. And saying Romney's more pro gun than Obama is like saying that Manson is more pro-murder than Gacey.

 

[DMax]

Romney is the least of anyones problems at this point in America. His record is iffy and BHO is a failure and another 4 yrs America will be Socialied Europe. Then you all will really have gun issues to deal with UN and all. BHO won't do it himself. Like our Lib friends here always remind us what has BHO done to talk your 2A rights? As this cowardly prez always has someone else do his dirty tuff decision making so he has an out and blame to spread around along with our wealth. When the Repubs take a majority control of congress then no pres will have complete corrupt power like today so all pissed off voters that are moving to RP that vote is a vote for BHO period. And I thought only liberals acted on thier emotions me wrong on that one.

 

[Misterbill]

Romney is the least of anyones problems at this point in America. His record is iffy and BHO is a failure and another 4 yrs America will be Socialied Europe. Then you all will really have gun issues to deal with UN and all. BHO won't do it himself. Like our Lib friends here always remind us what has BHO done to talk your 2A rights? As this cowardly prez always has someone else do his dirty tuff decision making so he has an out and blame to spread around along with our wealth. When the Repubs take a majority control of congress then no pres will have complete corrupt power like today so all pissed off voters that are moving to RP that vote is a vote for BHO period. And I thought only liberals acted on thier emotions me wrong on that one.

A Socialized Europe? Are you just stupid or are you that ignorant of how different in fundamental ways any country is in Europe Vs. the US?

I despise Obama. He's been a non-entity at a time when we really needed a great leader. But pretending he's been some socialist Wunderkind is the most sloppy-thinking nonsense I've ever seen. And I see it a great deal from the extremist right.

Has he reversed the 1996 welfare reform laws, laws which have Dems incensed? -Not a jot or tittle. Has he even proposed serious gun control measures? Nope. Has he for one second infringed in any way on the hedge-fund managers and other big money people? Nope.

Get some real arguments.

Romney or Santorum or Gingrich vs. Obama is which side of the status quo do you prefer, nothing more. If you clowns wanted something really serious, you'd have voted for Paul in the primaries like I did.

Vote for whoever you want to. But painting Obama as some socialist Stalin is ludicrous. It's so stupid that even stupid people wonder whether you're serious.

 

[Glockman19]

A Socialized Europe? Are you just stupid or are you that ignorant of how different in fundamental ways any country is in Europe Vs. the US?

I despise Obama. He's been a non-entity at a time when we really needed a great leader. But pretending he's been some socialist Wunderkind is the most sloppy-thinking nonsense I've ever seen. And I see it a great deal from the extremist right.

Has he reversed the 1996 welfare reform laws, laws which have Dems incensed? -Not a jot or tittle. Has he even proposed serious gun control measures? Nope. Has he for one second infringed in any way on the hedge-fund managers and other big money people? Nope.

Get some real arguments.

Romney or Santorum or Gingrich vs. Obama is which side of the status quo do you prefer, nothing more. If you clowns wanted something really serious, you'd have voted for Paul in the primaries like I did.

Vote for whoever you want to. But painting Obama as some socialist Stalin is ludicrous. It's so stupid that even stupid people wonder whether you're serious.

Yeah your point about welfare has to be spot on since its being used more than ever before. And if you like paying people to sit on their lazy butts doing nothing then yeah BO is doing a great job. I personally dont like being forced to pay for some laxy persons luxuries from the BIG government taking what they deem neccessary. Its bull and BO wants to increase peoples dependence on Government aide.

 

[DMax]

A Socialized Europe? Are you just stupid or are you that ignorant of how different in fundamental ways any country is in Europe Vs. the US?

I despise Obama. He's been a non-entity at a time when we really needed a great leader. But pretending he's been some socialist Wunderkind is the most sloppy-thinking nonsense I've ever seen. And I see it a great deal from the extremist right.

Has he reversed the 1996 welfare reform laws, laws which have Dems incensed? -Not a jot or tittle. Has he even proposed serious gun control measures? Nope. Has he for one second infringed in any way on the hedge-fund managers and other big money people? Nope.

Get some real arguments.

Romney or Santorum or Gingrich vs. Obama is which side of the status quo do you prefer, nothing more. If you clowns wanted something really serious, you'd have voted for Paul in the primaries like I did.

Vote for whoever you want to. But painting Obama as some socialist Stalin is ludicrous. It's so stupid that even stupid people wonder whether you're serious.

Thanks for making my case.

 

[Kevatc]

Our votes are irrelevant. Obama is going to win Oregon's and Washington's (and California's, and Hawaii's) electoral votes no matter how you vote. Even if you could vote 100 times it wouldn't make a difference, Obama is going to win your state's electoral votes, which are the only votes that count. The election won't be decided by Oregon or Washington voters, it will be decided by the voters in swing/battleground states 2012 Presidential Election Interactive Map and History of the Electoral College

I am very dismayed at how election mechanics work in general and your point only reinforces my opinion. There has to be some serious election/campaigning reform. It's a sad commentary that only certain "battle ground states" really determine a country's governance. I'd like to see campaigning kept to just the 6 months before an election and the country divided in fourths in terms of primaries.

Yeah your point about welfare has to be spot on since its being used more than ever before. And if you like paying people to sit on their lazy butts doing nothing then yeah BO is doing a great job. I personally dont like being forced to pay for some laxy persons luxuries from the BIG government taking what they deem neccessary. Its bull and BO wants to increase peoples dependence on Government aide.

Ya, that doggone unemployment is just so easy street. I am absolutely positive that once a person goes on unemployment they go out buy a new car, invest in a vacation condo, and supplement those HUGE unemployment checks with their tax-free investment portfolios.

 

[accessbob]

Like him or not, any votes for anyone other than Romney is just voting for Obama because any other candidates don't stand a snowball's chance in hell of winning. So, any votes taken away from Romney (and believe me, I'd much rather be voting for someone else) will not make a statement but if there is at all a chance of sending a statement by getting the number of votes up for the non-Obama, then it may be something rather than nothing.

The think to realize is this - Obama just recently signed an executive order, which I think most of you know about, in which he can take over everything in the event of war or civil emergency. I firmly believe that Obama will make war on Iran, either before the election or after, but it will be that or the riots which may grip this country if Zimmerman is found not guilty (and he may well not be, but that won't matter), that Obama intends to take power permanently under Martial Law. There are so many signs pointing that direction that it is scary.

So, anyway, I am extremely worried about the next several months and am hoping that the Electoral College has not been "bought." But as it stands now, it doesn't look good for keeping the big O out of the White House and we are going to have some SHTF stuff happening.

 

[fd15k]

I firmly believe that Obama will make war on Iran

LOL

 

[Blitzkrieg]

Ithink I want that in writing in binding contract.

You mean like Bush 1 and Quayle did in the 1988 race? They signed a full page ad in the American Rifleman magazine that said:

There will be no gun control on our watch

Then almost as soon as they took office Bush ordered a ban on the importation of some of the best available semi auto rifles and shotguns

Romney is even worse, a freakin gun banner, he signed a permanent semi auto ban in mass

 

[Blitzkrieg]

When did states get the power to pass laws which violate the US constitution? How long of a list of such laws do you want me to post which were overturned by the US Supreme Court? No state can violate the US Constitution, but that constitution limits the power of the Federal Government and leaves all powers not specifically granted in the Constitution to the states and the people.

We cling to 2A because it is our protection, even if our state doesn't have such a clause.

I don't really trust Romney on guns either, and it's been one of my main concerns about him.

That said, for all those bashing Romney's speech to the NRA, are you then going to vote for Obama?

Yes my gal and I are likely to vote for obummer.. because we want a revolution and he might be the guy to ignite one. Not that I have any confidence that our votes are even counted by Diebold

 

[Blitzkrieg]

Vote for the other offices besides President if you want, vote for Romney if you want, that's your right. My point is just don't kid yourself that voting for Romney in Oregon is going to make a "statement", or any difference at all. If you want to protect your gun rights try to influence what happens in Salem.

A President Romney is no guarantee you won't get an anti-gun Supreme Court justice. David Souter, who voted with the minority in DC v Heller, was appointed by George H.W. Bush - another northeastern "moderate" Republican like Romney - who also like Romney got a ban on "assault weapons" (imported ones) Import Ban on Assault Rifles Becomes Permanent - NYTimes.com

Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.

It's all fixed by the banksters/NWO crowd.. if voting could save us it would be illegal. The sheeple continue grazing..

 

[Dave Workman]

Five years after Virginia Tech: What have we learned?

ST. LOUIS — As the National Rifle Association convention wraps up with today’s meeting of the Board of Directors here, CNN and other networks are recalling the last time Monday was on April 16 — coincidentally the last time NRA met in this city — and asking what the nation has learned in the five years since the Virginia Tech massacre.


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[joken]

Our votes are irrelevant. Obama is going to win Oregon's and Washington's (and California's, and Hawaii's) electoral votes no matter how you vote. Even if you could vote 100 times it wouldn't make a difference, Obama is going to win your state's electoral votes, which are the only votes that count. The election won't be decided by Oregon or Washington voters, it will be decided by the voters in swing/battleground states 2012 Presidential Election Interactive Map and History of the Electoral College

You are more than likely correct, but you need to vote anyway.

 

[Blitzkrieg]

Like him or not, any votes for anyone other than Romney is just voting for Obama because any other candidates don't stand a snowball's chance in hell of winning. So, any votes taken away from Romney (and believe me, I'd much rather be voting for someone else) will not make a statement but if there is at all a chance of sending a statement by getting the number of votes up for the non-Obama, then it may be something rather than nothing.

The think to realize is this - Obama just recently signed an executive order, which I think most of you know about, in which he can take over everything in the event of war or civil emergency. I firmly believe that Obama will make war on Iran, either before the election or after, but it will be that or the riots which may grip this country if Zimmerman is found not guilty (and he may well not be, but that won't matter), that Obama intends to take power permanently under Martial Law. There are so many signs pointing that direction that it is scary.

So, anyway, I am extremely worried about the next several months and am hoping that the Electoral College has not been "bought." But as it stands now, it doesn't look good for keeping the big O out of the White House and we are going to have some SHTF stuff happening.

Modern mainstream "wisdom" like this does not cut it for me.. I prefer older, more sage wit

"Always vote for principle, though you may vote alone, and you may cherish the sweetest reflection that your vote is never lost."

John Quincy Adams

 

[BSG 75]

In the 3/22/2012 SurveyUSA poll Obama leads Romney in Oregon 50% v 39%


In the 2/23/2012 Public Policy poll Obama leads Romney in Washington 53% v 38%

The last Republican who won Oregon or Washington Electoral College votes was Ronald Reagan, 28 years ago. Both states have become solidly Democratic since then. Even candidates like Dukakis, Gore, and Kerry were able to win both Oregon and Washington.

 

[MikeSettles]

When did states get the power to pass laws which violate the US constitution?[/B]

Our problem is that NO ONE has called to account either the Congress or the States for passing unconstitutional laws which violate 2A. In recent history, too many progressive judges have ruled against 2A-based challenges to local or federal laws because "the Supreme Court didn't say that it was illegal". They have used (in fact) an interpretation - ONLY, mind you, for 2A cases - which presupposes that ANY RESTRICTION is OK unless SCOTUS specifically says it ain't.
Judicial Review is used at all levels to verify that a law is not counter to a state or the federal constitution - however, such judicial comparison against constitutional appropriateness doesn't happen unless someone gets arrested after the law is already passed. I think that it would be much more appropriate and effective if, after legislation is passed, there occurs AUTOMATIC judicial review. All Federal legislation MUST pass constitutional muster BEFORE it can go into effect. State laws must be compared against both state and federal constitutionality.
Also, as Florida recently had go into effect: Government officials who enact unconstitutional ordinances or rules must suffer PERSONAL consequences. An example would be Greg Nickles and Mike McGinn (Seattle mayors) who both tried to ban guns in Seattle parks (against State preemption) and who both lost state court challenges: They should each suffer personally for their illegal/unconstitutional actions, and for violating their oaths of office. (There have already been cases of some Florida city commissions repealing illegal gun restrictions in fear of personal consequences since the new law went into effect.)

 

[fd15k]

Judicial Review is used at all levels to verify that a law is not counter to a state or the federal constitution - however, such judicial comparison against constitutional appropriateness doesn't happen unless someone gets arrested after the law is already passed.

You don't have to get arrested to file a complaint.

 

[MikeSettles]

You don't have to get arrested to file a complaint.

I would hope not, yet I really never hear of any challenges against a law's constitutionality unless someone was "harmed" by it. The "harm" lends weight to the challenge, yet with 2A cases, the jurists seem to respond as if an evil person is trying to get out of being punished.