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Lock & Load time for Romney @ NRA

Discussion in 'Legal & Political Archive' started by Dave Workman, Apr 13, 2012.

  1. Dave Workman

    Dave Workman Western Washington Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    It’s ‘lock and load’ time for Romney at NRA

    ST. LOUIS — Republican frontrunner Mitt Romney is in town today to assure members of the National Rifle Association that he is one of them (he’s a member) and that if they help put him in the White House, he will not betray that trust.

    It
     
  2. RVTECH

    RVTECH LaPine Well-Known Member

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    He already has as far as I am concerned.
     
  3. Wildcat

    Wildcat Molalla Member

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    It would really be nice if 'We the people' had reasonable choices and 'We the people' got to choose.
     
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  4. Jamie6.5

    Jamie6.5 Western OR Well-Known Member

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    Hey, let's face it, any remarks Romney makes are bound to be better than the remarks obama has made to the NRA.


    *crickets*
     
  5. pokerace

    pokerace Newberg Well-Known Member

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    Ithink I want that in writing in binding contract.
     
  6. nwwoodsman

    nwwoodsman Vernonia Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter 2015 Volunteer

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    Even a binding contract is sometimes worthless. I remember this one time, a few Januarys ago, when this black guy with big ears swore to uphold the constitution. Well you can see how that's working out.
     
  7. Dave Workman

    Dave Workman Western Washington Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    Rosen’s verbal bullet cannot be called back

    … Rosen’s apology notwithstanding, the remark has slammed Democrats like the recoil of a .458 Winchester Magnum.


    Rosen
     
  8. PDXoriginal

    PDXoriginal PNW Well-Known Member

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    All one has to do is look at Massachusetts's gun laws and see how full of CRAP Romney is.

    He is NOT a friend of the Second Amendment nor is he a true friend of the NRA other than to get their endorsement.

    "he will not betray that trust" he ALREADY has. Massachusetts ranks 3rd on the Brandy Campaign's anti gun states, do I really need to say more?
     
  9. BSG 75

    BSG 75 Oregon Well-Known Member

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    So is Michael Moore. In fact, Michael Moore has been a NRA member longer than Romney.

    Romney became a member of the NRA all the way back in 2006, 2 years after signing the Massachusetts assault weapon ban, and around the time he realized that joining the NRA might be a good idea if he wanted to become the Republican nominee. Even though he paid the fee to become a NRA member he isn't a gun owner and he borrows guns from his son when he needs props to use.

     
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    kkil004 Seattle New Member

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    "he borrows guns from his son"

    So his family's not all bad...
     
  11. Kevatc

    Kevatc Oregon Well-Known Member

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    Really???? Holy poop on a cracker. You best vote for that guy. :rolleyes:
     
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  12. Jamie6.5

    Jamie6.5 Western OR Well-Known Member

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    What you "really need to say" if you are going to be intellectually honest, is that you (fail to?) understand the Bill of Rights, and the 10th Amendment.
    Particularly the part about "States Rights."

    Mr Romney signed a bill that passed the democrat controlled MA STATE legislature by an overwhelming majority.
    I don't like that law, so I wouldn't live in Massachusetts. On the federal level, I didn't care for ted kennedy and I can't stand john kerry, so that's just another reason for me to stay away from MA.
    But at least it was done through a constitutionally approved process, (Much like the AWB was in 1994, when Clinton signed it) and as such, can be repealed or overturned by any MA STATE legislature that chooses to do so.

    Now I don't know if MA has a "2ndA like" clause in their state constitution like OR does, so that may have some bearing on whether Massachusens can challenge it in court.

    Since I started voting in 1974, I have seen 2 "referendums" on Congress and/or a state legislature over a single bill passed into law. The first was the AWB in 1994, When the dems lost control altogether, and the second was "obamacare" in 2010, when the dems lost the House, and their supermajority in the Senate.
    My point being, that if the residents of Massachusetts really haven't liked that law, it should/would have been overturned by representatives voted in for that purpose.
    Since they haven't yet, it's probably pretty safe to say that if you like semi-autos with hi-cap mags, you should stay away from MA, because the people of that state believe it works for them.

    But along the way, please bear in mind that:
    Mitt wasn't peddling guns to straw buyers in his attempt to drum up support for the law.
    Mitt didn't sign or promise to sign, executive orders hamstringing gun rights even if he couldn't get legislative approval.
    AFAIK, Mitt didn't use his "bully pulpit" to push for their AWB.

    There are MANY lefties here that love to bring up the policies of Geo. W. Bush. Lefties that HATE his policies, like the post I quoted above.
    But Bush isn't running. Mitt ain't Bush.

    Yet when the topic of Clinton comes up, he's your shining star. Despite your hypocritical rantings about gun rights.
    Clinton did the same thing Mitt did, by signing a constitutionally constructed/passed bill into law.
    Only "slick willie" Clinton DID use his "bully pulpit" to push the AWB through congress.
    It was as much his idea as anyone's.
    His wife still loves it, and would have voted to make it permanent in '04.
    So according to the Huff-Po article quoted above, Romney has learned from his mistakes, but Hillary hasn't.

    Yet Clinton is still you lefty's fav guy!?! Why is that?
    Why/how would/could Mitt be worse than Clinton, or obama on gun rights??

    Make your case, in light of what we KNOW president Clinton did. And what we KNOW Obama has done, and has promised to do, the FACT that he consistently supports illegal gun laws in his home state, and who he has in charge at the DOJ.
    Then there's obama and biden's promise to "take action when Congress fails to act" that should SCARE THE CRAP out of you!

    And while we're comparing backgrounds on legislative issues, care to compare the gun laws in Illinois and Chicago to the gun laws in Massachusetts?!?
     
  13. Gunner3456

    Gunner3456 Salem Well-Known Member

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    When did states get the power to pass laws which violate the US constitution? How long of a list of such laws do you want me to post which were overturned by the US Supreme Court? No state can violate the US Constitution, but that constitution limits the power of the Federal Government and leaves all powers not specifically granted in the Constitution to the states and the people.

    We cling to 2A because it is our protection, even if our state doesn't have such a clause.

    I don't really trust Romney on guns either, and it's been one of my main concerns about him.

    That said, for all those bashing Romney's speech to the NRA, are you then going to vote for Obama?
     
  14. Dave Workman

    Dave Workman Western Washington Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    Romney warns about ‘O’ second term; Today’s NRA bash

    ST. LOUIS — Warning that a second Obama term in the White House could be a disaster for Second Amendment rights, Republican Mitt Romney told abut 6,000 National Rifle Association members that their hope for real change is to vote the president out of office in November.

    Romney warns about
     
  15. Jamie6.5

    Jamie6.5 Western OR Well-Known Member

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    AFAIK, they haven't, except of course in Illinois, and the City of Chicago ;).
    But I don't think MA's AWB's constitutionality has been challenged.
    But that is also my point. Obama has supported the unconstitutional laws that were overturned in Illinois, and supports the people that write/implement them.

    As opposed to Romney's signing of the MA AWB, that was apparently legal, as no legal advocates seem to want to challenge it.

    Good question.

    Personally, I'd like to see/hear obama address the NRA. Just to see what he has to say.
    If he truly believe in the RTKBA, he should have no problem with supporting those gun owning constituents that support him.
     
  16. BSG 75

    BSG 75 Oregon Well-Known Member

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    Our votes are irrelevant. Obama is going to win Oregon's and Washington's (and California's, and Hawaii's) electoral votes no matter how you vote. Even if you could vote 100 times it wouldn't make a difference, Obama is going to win your state's electoral votes, which are the only votes that count. The election won't be decided by Oregon or Washington voters, it will be decided by the voters in swing/battleground states 2012 Presidential Election Interactive Map and History of the Electoral College
     
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  17. Gunner3456

    Gunner3456 Salem Well-Known Member

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    Well, just be aware that the SC rulings upholding gun rights in DC and Illinois and so on were decided by narrow 5/4 majorities. John Paul Stevens, Steven Breyer, Ruth Bader Ginsburg and Sonia Sotomayor were in the minority. They would have banned the guns. ONE MORE VOTE on their side...

    We can't have Obama appoint another SC justice.
     
  18. Gunner3456

    Gunner3456 Salem Well-Known Member

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    Oh thanks. I'll never bother to vote again. I and all other pro-gun people should just stay home and make no statement at all, and then it will look as if Oregon is 100% pro-Obama and pro-anti gun SC.

    What's your point?
     
  19. BSG 75

    BSG 75 Oregon Well-Known Member

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    Vote for the other offices besides President if you want, vote for Romney if you want, that's your right. My point is just don't kid yourself that voting for Romney in Oregon is going to make a "statement", or any difference at all. If you want to protect your gun rights try to influence what happens in Salem.

    A President Romney is no guarantee you won't get an anti-gun Supreme Court justice. David Souter, who voted with the minority in DC v Heller, was appointed by George H.W. Bush - another northeastern "moderate" Republican like Romney - who also like Romney got a ban on "assault weapons" (imported ones) Import Ban on Assault Rifles Becomes Permanent - NYTimes.com

    Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.
     
  20. Gunner3456

    Gunner3456 Salem Well-Known Member

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    If no pro-gun people at all vote against Obama, that's a terrible statement. It may not affect an election, but it would affect perception.
     
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