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Lies of Omission - Typical VPC propaganda

Discussion in 'Legal & Political Archive' started by mkwerx, Jun 18, 2015.

  1. mkwerx

    mkwerx Forest Grove, OR Well-Known Member

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    http://news.yahoo.com/guns-rarely-used-self-defense-us-205812892.html

    Washington (AFP) - Contrary to what the gun lobby argues, personal firearms in the United States are rarely used for self-defense, a gun control advocacy group said Wednesday.

    In an analysis of FBI and other federal government data, the non-profit Violence Policy Center said Americans are far more likely to hurt themselves or others when handling a lethal weapon.

    In 2012, it said, only 259 "justifiable homicides" involving a private citizen were reported, compared to 8,342 criminal homicides committed with a gun.

    Put another way, for every justifiable homicide involving a gun, 32 criminal homicides carried out with a firearm occurred. And that does not take into account "tens of thousands" of gun-related suicides and unintentional shootings.

    The influential National Rifle Association contends that "guns are necessary for self-defence," said Josh Sugarmann, executive director of the Violence Policy Center in Washington.

    "But this gun industry propaganda has no basis in fact," he said in a statement.

    "In fact, in a nation of more than 300 million firearms, it is striking how rarely guns are used in self-defense."

    On its website, the NRA carries a running list of incidents in which it says firearms were successfully used in self-defense -- in one case against a house intruder crawling through a doggie door in Texas, in another case against a "rabid fox" in Massachusetts.



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    They conveniently leave out the untold cases where no shots were fired - where the display of a firearm resulted in an attacker fleeing, or being held until police arrive to take custody. Typical BS from the anti gunners.
     
  2. mkwerx

    mkwerx Forest Grove, OR Well-Known Member

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  3. mkwerx

    mkwerx Forest Grove, OR Well-Known Member

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    And here - because the typical hue and cry of the VPC crowd is that "civilians" (never mind that cops are civies too) don't need guns and that it's only the military and police that should have them:

    http://news.yahoo.com/off-duty-officer-shoots-ex-wife-dead-jersey-015620616.html

    Off duty police sergeant murders his ex wife, with one of their daughters in the car, using his department issued firearm.

    Police and soldiers are people, humans, too. Cops can go crazy. Soldiers can. Both groups have members who do. We see it locally it seems at least once every couple years. They're no more special than the rest of us, and to borrow a phrase from another leftist group "our lives matter" too. Disarming the populace does nothing to keep us safe, only emboldens our would be tormenters or killers.
     
  4. GunnyG

    GunnyG The Highlands Active Member

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    https://www.nraila.org/gun-laws/armed-citizen/
     
  5. KTM530XCW

    KTM530XCW Vancouver, WA Well-Known Member

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    I love the comments on that first article. Shoes that not one reader believes what the article is suggesting.
     
  6. KTM530XCW

    KTM530XCW Vancouver, WA Well-Known Member

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    Plus, the liberals favorite line is "if it saves just one life. ...just one".

    Lol. What twats
     
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    GunnyG The Highlands Active Member

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    "... Without requiring law enforcement agencies to report justifiable homicides, the data will continue to underestimate the numbers of justifiable homicides in America, and will make it impossible to draw conclusions about what the data are saying." --http://blogs.wsj.com/numbers/why-the-data-on-justifiable-homicide-just-wont-do-1725/

    BTW, when you use the FBI numbers that the WSJ used, you get past the mythical "259" by the time you count Indiana (288 and climbing), and there are still 35 states yet to be counted ;-)
     
  8. Hawaiian

    Hawaiian Tigard Oregon Well-Known Member

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    How about when I save my wife's or son's life when a criminal comes at us with his illegal gun??????
    Or is it that law abiding citizens lives don't matter????
     
  9. KTM530XCW

    KTM530XCW Vancouver, WA Well-Known Member

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    Correct. Only criminals, illegals or terrorists in gitmo should have their rights defended. You're an evil gun owner so you shouldn't be entitled to any rights.

    And when you're victimized, you're evil if you want the criminal put to death for taking your family members life.

    Questions?
     
  10. KTM530XCW

    KTM530XCW Vancouver, WA Well-Known Member

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    http://www.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=18319&page=45

    There you go. The CDC gun study that Obama commissioned says that at the very least there are 60,000 to 120,000 defensive gun uses per year in the US. And confirms that studies on the high end are 2.5 million (although that number is always immediately disputed).
     
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  11. Stomper

    Stomper Oceania Rising White Is The New Brown Silver Supporter

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    Using THAT logic, ICBM's have not been used in warfare either (not even once), but I don't suggest we do away with the ones we have. o_O
     
  12. chemist

    chemist Beaverton OR Well-Known Member

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    No one can seem to take down Kleck's study that showed 1.5 -2.5 million DGU's per year; the critics simply "dispute" it, without any evidence other than their belief that it can't be right.

    There's almost no way to prove it either way, if their argument is based on the presumption that mass lying by respondents has skewed the number. But it's certainly not in question that almost all DGU's result in no one being shot, ergo many (most?) go unreported to the police.

    Here's Simon Black's latest on the subject:
    https://www.sovereignman.com/podcast/dangerous-phony-gun-control-logic-strikes-again-17192/
    The President's job is not to protect the American people, it's to protect and defend the Constitution.
     
  13. Riot

    Riot Benton County, Washington Well-Known Member

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    Justifiable Homicide is just one way that a firearm is used in defense...this is just another way the left warps the stats to their own agenda.