Liberal gun club

[asbtg]

If you are an active supporter of the 2 A and anti-gun control, well, welcome aboard! If not, maybe you need more time to think these issues through and study history.

Lol! I feel very welcome, thank you.
Yes, history has shown the first step is finding a shared scapegoat, then pledging to defend all Good People from said boogeymen, then taking guns for citizens' own safety, then killing citizens. The old, "first they came for the Jews and I did nothing" warning.

 

[asbtg]

Why must we have titles, and parties and other crap we attach to ourselves and them vociferously defend, why can't we be human, 'Muricans FIRSTLY? Why must I adhear to some party or group and then uphold it's standing? Are we not Americans first? Do we not all enjoy certain ordained rights the same? Why is it that some folks wish to TAKE away those rights? What benifit is there to be had if tbose rights are removed?
I vote to preserve my RIGHTS, and not some party affiliations designs!
Until we get past all this and become Americans firstly, lastly, and always, we will never find common ground to stand shoulder to shoulder with to fight for and defend what matters most of all, that that makes us the greatest country on this little planet! Titles and parties be dammed!

Anyone else have to go back and read "titles" twice...?

 

[tkdguy]

Lol! I feel very welcome, thank you.
Yes, history has shown the first step is finding a shared scapegoat, then pledging to defend all Good People from said boogeymen, then taking guns for citizens' own safety, then killing citizens. The old, "first they came for the Jews and I did nothing" warning.

So, specifically what are you saying; not the abstract nor a proverb, but in concrete terms; if you do not mind the clarification? Thanks.

 

[4Freedom]

There are plenty of anti-gun, gun clubs.. Which is why I was picky about where I joined in Colorado and Washington. One club I attempted to join here in Colorado were real arrogant, anti-gun sticklers. In addition to many of their other "liberal-minded" restrictions, they told me they do not allow silhouette or zombie targets at their range because of the Columbine shooting. I guess according to their board of director's belief system, shooting at human like targets will result in their members becoming bloodthirsty and then committing school shootings. Brilliant! Yes, I will not give this range my hard earned $200 a year and support an organization that infringes upon my gun rights. People don't realize that gun ranges can be anti-2A too!

Some people also think if they are not super religious conservatives they are liberal. There is a difference between being a fiscal conservative, Libertarian, etc and someone who votes and supports for the very people who will take your gun rights away. It is like a Jewish Nazi or an African American Klansman. It is a sad oxymoron.

If you are support the 2nd Amendment you are no longer a liberal by the modern definition the word. Liberal now means Democrat, which pretty much means you must support gun control as one of the main party lines. The term Democrat has now actually become a facade for the real ideology which is Authoritarian Socialist.

 

[Wdbyrd]

"I was on some of the online gun forums, and I got really tired of the hate and vitriol being spewed towards people of my political persuasion. Being called a libtard. Seeing things like 'Obama's a secret Muslim.' Just asinine stuff," he said. "So, that's what kind of pushed me to start Googling around for a liberal, progressive gun club. It happened to be one of the first ones that popped up. I found it to be a very welcoming community."


So how is this different from being called a Nazi, racist, homophobe or xenophobe both side need to cool it on some of the rhetoric and I include myself in this statement.

But I agree with notazombie who do they vote for. In this day and age there does not seem to be a pro gun liberal candidate anywhere.

Normally I am not a one topic voter I have always wanted a candidate who would do the most for the country but it seems that last few years it has come down to one topic "DO YOU SUPPORT THE SECOND AMENDMENT."

Well I can only speak for myself....I am liberal on a lot of issues and Conservative on a few. I consider myself slightly left of Center. I Vote for the Presidential Candidates who Overall I agree with, Congressionaly I vote the same way....Federal Law has not changed Gun rights for the better or worse because of the division....not worried thst will change with as manny mass shooting and no changes taking effect...local Elections I support Pro 2nd Admendment Canidates....Being in Arozona means I can Choice from Dems or Republicans who support my gun rights.

 

[Wdbyrd]

Perhaps, having been in the military for quite some time, I'm not namby/pamby and squishy about things about which I have a passion.

Sure, sometimes I go along to get along, more often than not actually, but sometimes I won't agree to go along to get along when it comes to a few things.

I know, that scares some gentle, sensitive people...toughen up because one day you may depend on saving your family or your own life because sensitively/gently discussing how to go about it may not work...

There is also a real danger in being a single issue Voter......lets take Richard Spencer. The man who coined the term alt right. He is a open white Supremacist. He is also a 2nd Admendment supporter.....does that make it ok to vote for him? Not to me.

 

[Alexx1401]

There is also a real danger in being a single issue Voter......lets take Richard Spencer. The man who coined the term alt right. He is a open white Supremacist. He is also a 2nd Admendment supporter.....does that make it ok to vote for him? Not to me.

Well if it came down to an election where he and someone who wanted more gun control were the only 2 choices? Yes I would vote for the moron. I figure he can spout his racist BS all day, he will get no where with that. On the other hand anyone who wants more gun laws, aimed at the law abiding, they have a real shot at getting them through. This is why we have the laws we have. Whole lot of gun owners will throw their vote since the "better choice" is not good enough. So the liberals win, and then take more rights from the people who voted them in, who then scream about it. 2 years later it's rinse and repeat.

 

[Member 52301]

I wish there was a 'get off my lawn and leave me the F alone' party.

Dang!

Bada bing - bada boom!

You sound like me.

Old Lady Cate

 

[Wdbyrd]

Well if it came down to an election where he and someone who wanted more gun control were the only 2 choices? Yes I would vote for the moron. I figure he can spout his racist BS all day, he will get no where with that. On the other hand anyone who wants more gun laws, aimed at the law abiding, they have a real shot at getting them through. This is why we have the laws we have. Whole lot of gun owners will throw their vote since the "better choice" is not good enough. So the liberals win, and then take more rights from the people who voted them in, who then scream about it. 2 years later it's rinse and repeat.

Well if it came down to an election where he and someone who wanted more gun control were the only 2 choices? Yes I would vote for the moron. I figure he can spout his racist BS all day, he will get no where with that. On the other hand anyone who wants more gun laws, aimed at the law abiding, they have a real shot at getting them through. This is why we have the laws we have. Whole lot of gun owners will throw their vote since the "better choice" is not good enough. So the liberals win, and then take more rights from the people who voted them in, who then scream about it. 2 years later it's rinse and repeat.

I do not agree.......Federal Gun Control is more likley to spin its wheels than the domestic agenda of Ethno Supremacist, or Economic Supremacist these days.......it might even be a safer bet to not Vote at all.......if in 2020 I have the same choice at the top of the ticket I will be leaving it Blank.

 

[Member 52301]

When I run for office , I am going to run on the Ex-Lax Party..."Cause I actually give a sh!t...
Andy

Love it!

Cate

 

[Alexx1401]

I do not agree.......Federal Gun Control is more likley to spin its wheels than the domestic agenda of Ethno Supremacist, or Economic Supremacist these days.......it might even be a safer bet to not Vote at all.......if in 2020 I have the same choice at the top of the ticket I will be leaving it Blank.

These racists morons are NEVER going to get anything passed. when was the last law one of them got on the books passed? I can show you a crap load of new gun laws. This is the real world here not what people think might happen.

 

[shibbershabber]

There is also a real danger in being a single issue Voter......lets take Richard Spencer. The man who coined the term alt right. He is a open white Supremacist. He is also a 2nd Admendment supporter.....does that make it ok to vote for him? Not to me.

I agree with the previous post.

Given the choice of Pelosi or Spencer... I'd vote for Spencer.

Things like the 2A would be supported... The BS racist views will NEVER become law nor would any legislation make it to the floor.

So while he is a POS... He is not a danger.
People like Pelosi and Ocasio-Cortez are a danger because their extremist views can make it to the floor and have a chance of passing.

I don't vote for personalities, etc. I vote based on how that person will vote. Period.

 

[Wdbyrd]

These racists morons are NEVER going to get anything passed. when was the last law one of them got on the books passed? I can show you a crap load of new gun laws. This is the real world here not what people think might happen.

Most of thier agenda is accomplished through regulatory changes, Executive orders, and policy changes that dont have to go through congress. Much like most federal changes to gun rights like the Bump stock ban. Which ironicly can from a Republican Administration.

 

[asbtg]

So, specifically what are you saying; not the abstract nor a proverb, but in concrete terms; if you do not mind the clarification? Thanks.

If you feel it's necessary for me to outline my particular views in this forum I shall oblige as it pertains to this topic. More than that will need more time and a fine bourbon.
To wit: life is about making hard choices and sometimes choosing the lesser of 2 evils. I support the 2nd as a basic human right and I support a woman's right to health Care, up to and including Her right to choose what that means. I am Pro Choice because it's her body. Any more than that and someone is taking something that doesn't belong to them. Her choice or my guns, same idea. Govt. overreach.
Yes, I wish Hillary had gotten in. If it comes down to my wife and mother and sister getting grabbed by the pu$$y or someone who will will fight for her right to life I will give up a little freedom, though unwillingly and not without a fight. Anyone circle-jerking the Molon Labe koolaid is delusional at best about our chances about a civilian uprising where we magically get all our machine guns back.
That said, I financially contribute to groups doing good in our fight, NWFA, 2FF, LGC and I vote. Ido not support the NRA because of its felonious ties to a foreign power hell-bent on harming my country. Yes I think choosing like this shouldn't be necessary, but it is in our current world. This self-congratulatory bullbubblegum!t on a forum, as entertaining as it is is just pissing in the wind as far as real change is concerned.
All our energies can be spent better by teaching a kid or friend or family member to plink and help those on the fence choose with us. Actions are all that really matter and the rest is just lead downrange.

 

[Alexx1401]

Most of thier agenda is accomplished through regulatory changes, Executive orders, and policy changes that dont have to go through congress.

This is a great example of what the "news" has done. Trump was in the spotlight decades, liberals loved him. 15 seconds after he got elected he suddenly became a white supremacist? The news tells people this and they swallow it. Jim Crow laws are just around the corner of course. If this was not so pathetic it would be funny. If one of these morons actually got any regulation like people "think" they are going to get on the books you would literally be able to hold your breath for the time it would take it to be shot down. Let some new gun laws get put in and it "may" be beat decades later if someone puts up the money to fight it that long.

 

[surevaliance]

If an average liberal is just stupid than armed one is also dangerous.


Ever heard of John Brown Gun Club?
That's Antifa's armed division.

 

[KKG]

I'll admit I have Not read through the several pages of comments but I am willing to bet the pot that the Liberal Gun Range is a Trap and Skeet Range. I would not be surprised if they didn't even allow handguns and rifles to be fired there. Except for the "Privileged Few"

 

[MannyGlocks]

asbtg,

liberal...check

Are the other liberals posting here willing to step up to the plate and be honest as asbtg?

Why do I ask?

A little background.

I record some news show and when a liberal comes on I fast forward until they stop speaking.

Here, I appreciate the liberal whose honest about his politics and I can then do the equivalent to fast forwarding, that is put him/her on my 'ignore' list.

Why would I be so honest about not reading liberal political posts?

Blood pressure control...

 

[Wdbyrd]

This is a great example of what the "news" has done. Trump was in the spotlight decades, liberals loved him. 15 seconds after he got elected he suddenly became a white supremacist? The news tells people this and they swallow it. Jim Crow laws are just around the corner of course. If this was not so pathetic it would be funny. If one of these morons actually got any regulation like people "think" they are going to get on the books you would literally be able to hold your breath for the time it would take it to be shot down. Let some new gun laws get put in and it "may" be beat decades later if someone puts up the money to fight it that long.

Im not gonna going to debate if Trump is Racist or not, first it is not legal for me to do so in a public forum because he is my Commander in Chief and two ...well that is reason enough....but on the topic of The media I dont see them defending the Constitution as his administration through illegal regulation bans bump stocks because they dont care hiw it gets done....but I do not support a Bump stock ban by the Aft deciding to call them machine guns even though the National Fire arms act clearly defines what a machine gun is.......this tyoe of regulatory action opens the door for other Administration to ban anything just by redefining it as something already illegal. I make my own opinions that is not dictated by the left or right biased media.

 

[Wdbyrd]

I'll admit I have Not read through the several pages of comments but I am willing to bet the pot that the Liberal Gun Range is a Trap and Skeet Range. I would not be surprised if they didn't even allow handguns and rifles to be fired there. Except for the "Privileged Few"

I prefer desert shooting. I dont like ranges...I have a Mossberg Shockwave with a 14 inch barrel and most ranges dont allow pistol grip shotgun i mean Firearms to be shot there.