Liberal gun club

[Member 3687]

What I feel about this group is the same as I feel about most it is just another form of Self Segregation. Instead of finding common ground we separate ourselves from what we do not like and huddle in groups that make us feel safe.

We as humans all tend to do it to some degree and that is why we play on this forum as we like firearms, how they work, and the right to have and keep them.

But even the folks here tend to separate themselves depending on the subject and move into the different camps that align with what they feel or believe. This does not make them wrong or right just different.

I am of the mind that adding another law no matter what type will not stop gun crime or gun deaths and it is no longer a feel good measure it is now just control. Yet others feel if we just do this one more thing all will be well and everything will be Kumbaya. It is an American culture problem not a gun problem.

Murder is already illegal and has been for thousands of years yet they happen every day in every country by a verity of methods and not just firearms. School shootings are not new as the first I can find that was reported in the US happened around 1764 and yet it was illegal then and it still is so one more law will not change a dang thing.

Over the last 40 Plus years (that I have been into guns) of so call compromise it has just been a take my rights away with nothing in return and so far to date they have not stopped school shootings or murder.

Some will say well they let the assault weapons ban expire yet most who were not into guns back then do not realize you could still buy AR15s and Russian AKs the whole time it's just they were not threaded for a flash suppressor, the bayonet lug was cut off and they came with a 10 round mag. I know I sold them at the shop I worked at and bought a few.

So if this is a compromise to you by getting back something we already had then we have already lost the fight.

Sorry for the rant but I am not politically correct and do not want to be. I do believe in the constitution and feel the government is overstepping its boundaries on almost everything it does. I also believe in order to keep what we have as a country and the constitution the second amendment is more important now than it ever has been.

Edit: spelling

 

[Andy54Hawken]

Titles and parties be dammed!

I wish there was a 'get off my lawn and leave me the F alone' party.

When I run for office , I am going to run on the Ex-Lax Party..."Cause I actually give a sh!t...
Andy

 

[notazombie]

When I run for office , I am going to run on the Ex-Lax Party..."Cause I actually give a sh!t...
Andy

An honest politician? No such thing.

 

[Andy54Hawken]

An honest politician? No such thing.

Wait till I show off my unicorn horn...Wait...wrong forum...I am soooo embarrassed....
Andy

 

[po18guy]

Yes, they do own guns. But, a far higher percentage of them still vote against the second amendment as they simply do not trust "Wal Mart" gun owners. I think they might rely on the grandfather clause as a way of remaining privileged. On principle, the elitist never trusts the commoner. They are often (not always) the "common sense gun control" folks.

They promote safe storage of firearms over safe storage of criminals.

 

[HuckleberryFun]

Yes, they do own guns. But, a far higher percentage of them still vote against the second amendment as they simply do not trust "Wal Mart" gun owners. I think they might rely on the grandfather clause as a way of remaining privileged. On principle, the elitist never trusts the commoner. They are often (not always) the "common sense gun control" folks.

They promote safe storage of firearms over safe storage of criminals.

One big topic of discussion in our LGC group has been the elitist nature of gun control. It comes up a lot. We're as aware of it as you seem to be and we don't like it one bit either.

 

[notazombie]

My next door neighbor might be considered a liberal gun owner. He's an 81 year old vet who was a union pipefitter after being in the military. In his mind he's a liberal Democrat but in my observation he's more like a libertarian who happens to support social programs for those who truly need the help. He loves guns and hates any type of firearms restrictions. He abhors a lazy yet able-bodied man. Has no use for drunks, druggies, and criminals. He thinks that government is too big and overreaching. He's extremely family focused and generous to a fault.
If that's what a liberal is, I'd welcome any and all as friends. Trouble is, that's not what those that currently call themselves liberals are all about.
BTW, I doubt Jack would join the liberal gun club.

 

[shibbershabber]

But even the folks here tend to separate themselves depending on the subject and move into the different camps that align with what they feel or believe...

Yeah... I don't know what those 9mm guys are thinking.
.45 is by far a superior round

 

[Member 3687]

Yeah... I don't know what those 9mm guys are thinking.
.45 is by far a superior round

The 9 mm guys are thinking if you 45 guys could shoot and hit what you're aiming at you would not need such a big bullet.

Edit: spelling and a smile

 

[HuckleberryFun]

My next door neighbor might be considered a liberal gun owner. He's an 81 year old vet who was a union pipefitter after being in the military. In his mind he's a liberal Democrat but in my observation he's more like a libertarian who happens to support social programs for those who truly need the help. He loves guns and hates any type of firearms restrictions. He abhors a lazy yet able-bodied man. Has no use for drunks, druggies, and criminals. He thinks that government is too big and overreaching. He's extremely family focused and generous to a fault.
If that's what a liberal is, I'd welcome any and all as friends. Trouble is, that's not what those that currently call themselves liberals are all about.
BTW, I doubt Jack would join the liberal gun club.

Jack would be welcome. We're a fairly big tent. Despite the "Liberal" right there in the name we have quite a few "other than liberal" people: libertarians, self described centrists, even (gulp!) a few socialists. There is no litmus test or rigid ideology to follow.
Like the article in the OP said, it's a gun club / social club for people who are often made to feel unwelcome by both sides.
Like your friend, Im also a vet and blue collar union guy.

 

[po18guy]

One big topic of discussion in our LGC group has been the elitist nature of gun control. It comes up a lot. We're as aware of it as you seem to be and we don't like it one bit either.

Time to make waves, as freedom is under assault like never before - and for all the wrong reasons. If we rely on "crisis legislation" (such as the bump stock ban), all freedom will soon be gone.

The thing is that we often disagree only on how we should address societal problems, but have the same goals in mind. Freedom carries both price and risk, and so far we have been mostly willing to assume both. That tide is changing.

 

[BSG 75]

One big topic of discussion in our LGC group has been the elitist nature of gun control. It comes up a lot. We're as aware of it as you seem to be and we don't like it one bit either.

Gun control is not just elitist

but also racist

 

[DuneHopper]

Why must we have titles, and parties and other crap we attach to ourselves and them vociferously defend, why can't we be human, 'Muricans FIRSTLY? Why must I adhear to some party or group and then uphold it's standing? Are we not Americans first? Do we not all enjoy certain ordained rights the same? Why is it that some folks wish to TAKE away those rights? What benifit is there to be had if tbose rights are removed?
I vote to preserve my RIGHTS, and not some party affiliations designs!
Until we get past all this and become Americans firstly, lastly, and always, we will never find common ground to stand shoulder to shoulder with to fight for and defend what matters most of all, that that makes us the greatest country on this little planet! Titles and parties be dammed!

The Truth


We are told being a patriot makes us racist, we are told our guns make us violent.
We are told the government will protect us. We are told by politicians trust us.

There is only one race we should be worrying about, the human race. And the Far Left
seems damned and determined to infiltrate all aspects of our freedom. From Boyscouts,
to 30 round Magazines.......when I see a left minded person stand up and understand my rights are
that MINE!!! You want to pick a gender, fine. I want to pick a 100rd drum mag for my Glock.
You want us to get along start with not asking for rights, why taking away ours would be a start.

 

[shibbershabber]

When a politician is working that hard to convince you that something is a really good idea... its probably a disaster in the making.

You know, if you like you Dr. you can keep him?
Or like how invading Iraq would be good for the country
and, yeah, how 'common sense' gun laws make you safer...

If it has to be sold that hard and repeated over and over.... with celebrities and entertainers being recruited to guilt it down your throats... you know theres a problem.

 

[HuckleberryFun]

Gun control is not just elitist

but also racist

Oh yes, racist too. Absolutely. Gun control is so centered around what middle class white people want that it makes me want to tear my hair out. Have you seen this video on why gun control is racist?
Funny and so true...

 

[DuneHopper]

DuneHoppers : Definitions Part One.

Unity = How well my 30rd Mag fits in my AR
Common Ground = To go prone for a target
Compromise = Choosing HP or FMJ
Safety Zone = when my chamber is clear and open
Man Bun = What you eat with sugar and cinnamon, with a cup of coffee
Liberal Gun Owner = One puts more oil then needed on said firearm.

 

[po18guy]

A thought which I entertain - for better or for worse - is that a well-timed and sharply-focused assault on the first amendment is the only way to wake up those who attack the second. A little re-setting of perspective is in order - the sooner the better.

 

[shibbershabber]

A thought which I entertain - for better or for worse - is that a well-timed and sharply-focused assault on the first amendment is the only way to wake up those who attack the second. A little re-setting of perspective is in order - the sooner the better.

Not likely...

The same ones who are so vociferously attacking your gun rights are the same ones who are trying to silence you for having a differing opinion... and pretty much the political establishment is silent about it and the entertainment/social media complex is perpetuating it.

If you are a gun owner or a conservative... you'd better just shut your mouth.

At some point the tables will turn... but those who oppress now, will not see the connection when they are the ones being oppressed. And vice versa...
When you have power, the methods you use to hold on to it seem perfectly reasonable even if unconstitutional or morally wrong. And when out of power, everything is a travesty...

 

[po18guy]

Wait a minute! Isn't the very concept of a "Liberal Gun Club" elitist and exclusionary? Where's the milk of human kindness? Where's the compassion for the poor conservative? Where's the inclusion, the diversity???

 

[P7M13]

Where's the inclusion, the diversity???

It's all there, circling around for one big jerk!