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Let this be an example to the sheeple...probably not though..

Discussion in 'Preparedness & Survival' started by CoastRange57, Aug 3, 2014.

  1. CoastRange57

    CoastRange57 Western Oregon Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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  2. AMProducts

    AMProducts Maple Valley, WA Jerk, Ammo Manufacturer Silver Supporter

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  3. Sgt Nambu

    Sgt Nambu Oregon Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    This water toxicity issue is affecting 400,000 people. I'm guessing that 2 maybe even 3 of them will figure it out and stock some H2O! ;)
     
  4. Certaindeaf

    Certaindeaf SE Portland Well-Known Member

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    They say that boiling that water "just makes the toxin worse". oof! must be some nasty weird stuff
     
  5. AMProducts

    AMProducts Maple Valley, WA Jerk, Ammo Manufacturer Silver Supporter

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    If you read the PDF file, it deals directly with the type of toxins they talk about. Pretty much what it is, the blue-green algae that's blooming in the lake isn't being removed by treatment, since it's passing through what will happen is when you boil it, it destroys the cells which release the toxin. Hence making it worse. If instead you treat it with chemicals, and then filter it... There were two methods mentioned in the articles i posted...

    1) Activated charcoal, floc, and potassium permanganate (an oxidizer)
    2) UV treatment, the article was written primarily for water managers, and one of the things they noted is that it's effective, but is apparently impractical for it's wholesale use. This doesn't mean it's ineffective for home users.

    You can test the efficacy of these methods using test strips...
    http://www.abraxiskits.com/uploads/products/docfiles/39_PN520016USER.pdf

    http://www.abraxiskits.com/products/algal-toxins/
     
  6. Just Jim

    Just Jim Well-Known Member

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    Now add ebola to that line and what happens then?
     
  7. AMProducts

    AMProducts Maple Valley, WA Jerk, Ammo Manufacturer Silver Supporter

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    Again, going with UV sterilization...
     
  8. Just Jim

    Just Jim Well-Known Member

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    We have a doctor and a nurse come down with ebola after taking all the precautions so I doubt it's going to be contained with clean water.
     
  9. The Heretic

    The Heretic Oregon Well-Known Member

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    People who worked directly with ebola patients in a third world country.

    About 1000 people per year, out of 6 billion people worldwide, are infected with ebola. Most of those are in Africa.

    I would say they are doing a decent job of containing it.
     
  10. Just Jim

    Just Jim Well-Known Member

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    You have a lot more faith in the system than I doo_O
     
  11. The Heretic

    The Heretic Oregon Well-Known Member

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    No.

    I *know* "the system" has flaws, but I just don't think the risk of a widespread outbreak is that high.
     
  12. Just Jim

    Just Jim Well-Known Member

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    They won't follow proper decontamination procedure so it will spread in my opinion. I have spent a lot of time in hospitals with family as they have passed away, they can't keep them clean. If ebola goes full on there is no way the hospitals can keep up or the entire health care system. Just opinion.
     
  13. Certaindeaf

    Certaindeaf SE Portland Well-Known Member

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    Didn't like three (3) people die here of the swine flu not too long ago? What a freaking handwringing lol fest that was. The way the media handled it, everybody, little Johnny and Sue especially, was sure going to die.
     
  14. Just Jim

    Just Jim Well-Known Member

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    Yep, swine flu or bird flu or what ever flu they want to sell you shots for. I hope ebola is all about the government wanting to sell vaccinations too.:D
     
  15. The Heretic

    The Heretic Oregon Well-Known Member

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    There is no known vaccination for ebola.

    All they can do for the most part is keep you hydrated.
     
  16. Doc In UPlace

    Doc In UPlace Tacoma-ish Well-Known Member

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    Former SecDef Don Rumsfeld is a major shareholder in TamaFlu, by the way. Privatize profits, socialize losses.
     
  17. AMProducts

    AMProducts Maple Valley, WA Jerk, Ammo Manufacturer Silver Supporter

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    You mean that drug that shows low efficacy unless given shortly after infection?

    I'm all about having private industry spend it's money to develop something that we can all benefit from. The problem I have is when profit, and CYA becoming the overriding concerns. The thing that still baffles me is the ads for testosterone replacement. I'm sure there are a small minority of men who do need it, as an after treatment for cancer, or a number of other conditions. Apparently everyone forgets what happens when you take drugs that mess with your hormone system, like anabolic steroids, makes your nuts shrink, and makes you grow boobs, also increases your chances for testicular cancer, and a number of other health problems.

    The thing I thought was really funny about it, was about 3 weeks after I started seeing the testosterone ads, I started seeing the "have you had a heart attack, testicular cancer or ... after taking testosterone replacement?" Pretty much all of the things that fall under the "known side-effects" of having extra testosterone in your system.

    All of these things are right up there with "want to lose weight without changing your lifestyle?"

    As I now begin the slide from my mid 30's into my late 30's I've noticed a drop in energy, which is why I started eating better and exercising more regularly (I already have a pretty active lifestyle, but I made time for riding the stationary bike as I don't get much aerobic activity moving around big chunks of metal). Funny thing is, I got what I was looking for... more energy, I also lost weight and I feel better, I also saved tons of money by cooking for myself and shopping at the grocery store. So by changing my lifestyle, I'm richer, thinner, and have more energy. I wonder which supplement you take to get that?
     
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  18. Michael Js

    Michael Js Greater Seattle, WA Active Member

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  19. Doc In UPlace

    Doc In UPlace Tacoma-ish Well-Known Member

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    Yeap, there isn't a single medicine invented by humans that defeats ANY virus once it's taken hold, Not one. None. Zip, zero, nada.

    I have a couple of sisters who have lived across the Oregon border in N California for several decades. Up in the Yreka and Tulelake areas.

    Both are in horrible condition, sick all the time, always going to doctors who can't figure out anything. They probably take "antibiotics" for virus-based infections all the time. Maybe crop spraying has something to do with it, I have long suspected the groundwater down there.

    I cut out one single 'food': butter, back last Thanksgiving. Am now on my last belt loop and it's amazing how much difference it's made. Haven't seen a doctor since 2006. Knock on plastic.

    But the role of drug companies and the "health Care" industry is a massive factor in what's happening with our fellow citizens, here and abroad, too. Their money is made in chasing symptoms, not the cause.

    Regarding cancer: to heck with the "cure" I want to know the cause. Where is that effort?
     
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  20. natef

    natef Gresham OR Active Member

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    It always bothers me when you see those pink ribons. the money they get isnt going towards a cure (at least not most of it) its goint to "awarness" im sorry but if they spent as much money on finding a cure that could be distributed to women as they do to raising money to support their next fundraiser we would be way farther along.
     
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