This thread was inspired by another thread over in the ammo section about the ramifications of using reloaded ammunition in a carry weapon and then actually having to defend that in court in the case of a shooting. It became abundantly clear at least to me that there are some members here who are, in my opinion significantly underestimating the abilities of a determined prosecuting attorney as well as a determined civil attorney representing the family of the person you shot. Also being significantly underestimated IMO are the costs of defending yourself in a criminal trial. One of the first things that I was taught in the Oregon CHL course was not to call just any attorney but to call one who specializes in self defense. If the law profession is anything like the medical profession then "specialist" should really be spelled "$peciali$t" and there was some mention of 5 figure retainers. aranoid: Statements like: "I'd rather represent myself than use a public defender" make me wonder if we've actually taken into account the true potential costs of defending ourselves and our loved ones using lethal force. I do not profess to have any special knowledge in this area but I'm certain there are some on this board who do. I'd like to hear from them as well as anyone who has actually gone through the process. Besides maybe it's time to take a little break from the whole AWB thing.