latest Sig 320 spontaneously discharge

[solv3nt]

Ha! I thought you were replying to someone that had me blocked.

 

[Mono1]

He's gonna wear out that emoji.

 

[sobo]

He's gonna wear out that emoji.

Keep it up, Mono... keep it up...

 

[Koda]

If he keeps using that emoji its liable to go off on its own at some point...

 

[Mono1]

If he keeps using that emoji its liable to go off on its own at some point...

Only if he drops it...

 

[mkthegrassgrow]

I think I'll stick with my Glocks. I'm no gambling man.

 

[ARFrog]

I'm sorry but being a VP9 man I can't seem to relate to this sig dropping thread.

So, it seems my mind keeps going back to the "bad boys" of my youth,

their cigs,

and their hang-outs during class time...







Et tu Sobo?

 

[Old Dog]

These SIG P-320 threads just crack me up. Thank y'all, I need some levity in my life with all the serious crap I've had to deal with lately.

like sig in general and own several but there have been too many stories of problems with the sig p320.

"Stories" being the operative word. No firearms experts (government, industry or private), to include some of the most well-known forensic firearms examiners in this country, have been able to replicate any 320s discharging on their own without the triggers being pulled mechanically (important CAVEAT: we're only talking since the drop-fire debacle, subsequently and perhaps even somewhat reluctantly, rectified via actual technological modification by SIG-Sauer). What this means is that that pretty much indicates a lot of people are making up stories to cover up their own negligent discharges.

As one who actually investigated any firearms discharges, intentional or not, for a long-term employer, all I can tell you that if a LE officer's pistol goes off inadvertently anywhere or anytime, it's a huge "aw crap" moment after which he (or she) and his/her union will leave zero stones unturned in an attempt to "prove" it must have been a flawed gun, the officer wasn't responsible. The private citizens are simply looking for a payday, not needing to save their careers.

 

[JRuby]

These SIG P-320 threads just crack me up. Thank y'all, I need some levity in my life with all the serious crap I've had to deal with lately.

"Stories" being the operative word. No firearms experts (government, industry or private), to include some of the most well-known forensic firearms examiners in this country, have been able to replicate any 320s discharging on their own without the triggers being pulled mechanically (important CAVEAT: since the drop-fire debacle, subsequently and perhaps even somewhat reluctantly, rectified via actual technological modification by SIG-Sauer). What this means is that that pretty much indicates a lot of people are making up stories to cover up their own negligent discharges.

As one who actually investigated any firearms discharges, intentional or not, for a long-term employer, all I can tell you that if a LE officer's pistol goes off inadvertently anywhere or anytime, it's a huge "aw crap" moment after which he (or she) and his/her union will leave zero stones unturned in an attempt to "prove" it must have been a flawed gun, the officer wasn't responsible. The private citizens are simply looking for a payday, not needing to save their careers.

Buy what you want I will do the same and it doesn't include p320s for me. The fact that the military reported failings, the police report failings is enough for me.

 

[Old Dog]

Buy what you want I will do the same and it doesn't include p320s for me. The fact that the military reported failings, the police report failings is enough for me.

Buy what you want, doesn't concern me (I don't have stock in SIG-Sauer). But I do totally understand the military mindset and the police mindset when it comes to evading accountability for negligent discharges. SIG settled two of the lawsuits, is fighting vigorously all the rest, has 13 dismissals thus far and a whole bunch of juries that have sided with the company. The attorney spearheading the big, consolidated lawsuit is an ambulance-chaser looking to fund his retirement with a multi-million dollar payday, and the journalist (for a liberal media outlet) who's been writing almost all the stories up for the liberal MSM has been after gun companies for a decade.

 

[JRuby]

I like Sig pistols currently have p290rs, p229, p225a1 and a p220dak. They have been bone stock reliable and I may purchase more in the future. I do believe when several groups say there is a problem with the P320 and i am not so willing to say those that say thier is a problem with it are making it up.

 

[ilikegunspdx]

I like Sig pistols currently have p290rs, p229, p225a1 and a p220dak. They have been bone stock reliable and purchase more in the future. I do believe when several groups say there is a problem with the P320 and i am not so willing to say those that say thier is a problem with it are making it up.

I'd like to get a Swiss sig p210. But they are always like $2000. They are probably worth that $ but I don't want to spend that much on a pistol. I got arex zero 1 instead of p226 largely because it can be run cocked and locked (ie can be used as SAO) and crazy good reputation for reliability. I wouldn't mind having a p226 legion SAO though.

 

[JRuby]

I always wanted a P210 myself. I always considered the p210 and a Belgium Browning HiPower as two of the best 9mms out thier.

 

[WillametteWill]

This...

But I do totally understand the military mindset and the police mindset when it comes to evading accountability for negligent discharges.

...and this.

The private citizens are simply looking for a payday, not needing to save their careers.

I've known people who were fired from my old department because they were found to have lied about NDs. There was a video (unbeknownst to the officer) that showed the officer lied about his gun 'just going off by itself' at a school, IIRC. Glocks had a MASSIVE issue with this when introduced, so much so that NYPD had to 'create' two heavier pull weight triggers to help stop NDs. The only thing that saved them was lack of social media.

I've ranted on this currently trending philosophy before. Remove all the mechanical safeties (thumb and grip) from a 1911 with a 4.5 pound trigger = crazy. Own a striker fired gun with no safeties and a modified 3 pound trigger = Thursday. I've been in two classes/workshops this year were students advised they were running guns with two-pound triggers. I support folks carrying and shooting what they like, but some actions can have unintended (but predictable) negative consequences.

 

[Koda]

I've ranted on this currently trending philosophy before. Remove all the mechanical safeties (thumb and grip) from a 1911 with a 4.5 pound trigger = crazy.

Same, except its more than a current trend... its been around a very long time now and many consider it the standard. I think its crazy, but if I want to upgrade to modern designs few offer mechanical safties. Mention or suggest the need in a gun forum to someone new and one about gets ridiculed....

 

[DirectDrive]

Buy what you want, doesn't concern me (I don't have stock in SIG-Sauer). But I do totally understand the military mindset and the police mindset when it comes to evading accountability for negligent discharges. SIG settled two of the lawsuits, is fighting vigorously all the rest, has 13 dismissals thus far and a whole bunch of juries that have sided with the company. The attorney spearheading the big, consolidated lawsuit is an ambulance-chaser looking to fund his retirement with a multi-million dollar payday, and the journalist (for a liberal media outlet) who's been writing almost all the stories up for the liberal MSM has been after gun companies for a decade.

This ^^^

Robert W. Zimmerman of SMB attorneys has been trying to get something to "stick" for years against SIG.
Todd Bookman of NHPR appears to be on a personal jihad with the multiple SIG hit pieces he has written.
The Trace, funded by Bloomberg (anti-gun) has done multiple hit pieces.
They have been successful in victimizing and influencing members of the public with their shock and awe hit pieces.

I have seen where members on gun forums will re-post these hit pieces from Bookman and The Trace and unknowingly become useful idiots for the anti-gun lobby.

 

[WillametteWill]

Robert W. Zimmerman of SMB attorneys has been trying to get something to "stick" for years against SIG.
Todd Bookman of NHPR appears to be on a personal jihad with the multiple SIG hit pieces he has written.
The Trace, funded by Bloomberg (anti-gun) has done multiple hit pieces.

They have been successful in victimizing and influencing members of the public with their shock and awe hit pieces.

The unfortunate part with this is that it not only influences the masses, but it turns 'gun people' against ourselves and companies who support us and the 2A. I don't have a problem calling out issues with firearms/ammo/suppliers when there is an issue, but the misinformation is strong with this particular situation, given the current facts I have seen.

 

[sobo]

I don't have a problem calling out issues with firearms/ammo/suppliers when there is an issue, but the misinformation is strong with this particular situation

"The Misinformation is strong in this one..."

 

[JRuby]

Reminds me of the old Remington 700 trigger - no one wanted to admit there was a problem til they had too because it might hurt Remingtons bottom line. I see the sig P320 in the same light.

 

[DirectDrive]

Reminds me of the old Remington 700 trigger - no one wanted to admit there was a problem til they had too because it might hurt Remingtons bottom line. I see the sig P320 in the same light.

And yet it appears that the "Walker Trigger" is a safe design as long as it wasn't tampered with by an unqualified person.
Walker triggers are still bought and sold on the used market.

The same light that I see is the Human Factor.