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Last US lead smelter, in Missouri, is shutting down--thanks to: O's EPA

Discussion in 'Legal & Political Archive' started by fredball, Nov 19, 2013.

  1. fredball

    fredball Vancouver, WA Well-Known Member

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    A hard but important editorial to read...



    More signs of the times... If you don’t yet

    think any preparation is warranted, then...

    what will it take for us to make this decision?



    This plant will close its doors this December!



    Point well taken: You can have al the Guns you

    want, but what can you really do without bullets...?





    There are numerous alarming reasons why the US government and the military have been buying up all the ammo. Here’s one of them. Obama and the EPA just shut down the last lead smelting plant in the US. They raised the EPA regulations by 10 fold and it would have cost the plant $100 million to comply. You can own all the guns you want, but if you can’t get ammo, you are out of luck.



    Remember when Obama promised his minions that he was working on gun control behind the scenes?


    Welcome to it. Now, all domestic mined lead ore will have to be shipped overseas, refined and then shipped back to the US. Not only will ammo now be even harder to come by, the demand and the process of supply will cause the price to skyrocket even more. And ponder this… there is an excellent chance that Obama will rig the market to where all ammo has to be purchased from a government entity instituting de facto ammo registration. So much for the Second Amendment. There has not been a peep about this in the major news outlets and it is done. With the US no longer producing lead, all supplies will now have to come from China, Australia or Peru, with the overwhelming emphasis on China. More redistribution of wealth; more economic and liberty crippling of the US on tap.




    The asshats at the EPA (evil protection agency) had this to say:


    The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency said the company “made a business decision” to shut down the smelter instead of installing pollution control technologies needed to reduce sulfur dioxide and lead emissions as required by the Clean Air Act.




    The DOE Run Co. announced last year that it had dropped plans to build a new lead processing facility in Herculaneum that would have used a new, cleaner lead production technology. The company cited the $100 million project as too financially risky.




    The EPA is playing Mafioso I guess — we didn’t make them shut down, they made a business decision. In other words, they couldn’t pay the extortion, so the thugs shut them down. I’m pretty sure that Americans are getting ready to make their own business decision regarding the Marxists and I don’t think it will be pleasant. But Marxists will do or die and are doubling down on the destruction of energy in America, our way of life and the Constitution.




    The smelting plant has known since 2010 this was coming. They couldn’t stop it and no one else rose up to stop it either. The business had been in production for 120 years and now goes the way of our auto industry.




    The military’s obsession with ammo was related to security and supply. They knew this was coming too, so they bought up all they could get before the plug was pulled. Screw the average American. It’s as Chris Muir said, he’s not as worried about where the bullets will come from, as much as how the government will deliver them and I’m right there with him on that one.




    So, back door gun control is moving forward and while we are all distracted with shiny stuff, our Second Amendment rights are just about gone. Obama is one Marxist dictator who is savvy at political chess. He has flanked the Second Amendment. Now it’s our move.




















    Here's to Your Freedom!
     
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  2. Commander Merkin

    Commander Merkin Bandon OR New Member

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    I'm interested in knowing which U.S. Ammo manufacturers obtained their lead from this plant. Does anyone have that data?
     
  3. Redcap

    Redcap Lewis County, WA Well-Known Member

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    This was a primary facility (raw ore processing). Most ammo manufacturers, if not all, get their lead from secondary smelters (recycling).

    This is a non-issue.
     
  4. PlayboyPenguin

    PlayboyPenguin Pacific Northwest Well-Known Member 2016 Volunteer

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    The OP is incredibly gullible and misinformed. This plant is not shutting because of any new regulations. They have a decaying plant they have not maintained and a market that has faded. They also supply ZERO product to the ammo market.
     
  5. GOG

    GOG State of Jefferson Well-Known Member

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    The fact still remains that the Liar in Chief has been waging a war on domestic energy and other industries, particularly the coal industry. The EPA, IRS and other alphabet agencies act as mafia enforcers against any entity that doesn't fit his ultimate goal; the socialization and destruction of this Country.
     
  6. billdeserthills

    billdeserthills Cave Creek, Arizony Well-Known Member

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    Also the OP failed to mention that for many miles around this very old plant the lead levels are extremely high, likely causing damage to people, and animals in surrounding areas. I would prefer the plant remain "grandfathered in" and still open but there are plenty of good reasons to close it.
     
  7. 4NONISSUE

    4NONISSUE south sound Member

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    Anytime production in one area is halted, the demand transfers to other sources. Wait a little while and watch what happens to heavy metal prices and then say this is not an Issue?
    "He can't dazzle them with brillance so he back doors the with Bullbubblegum"

    "Suck it ot of their pockets while they are watching the bank door
     
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  8. Mark W.

    Mark W. Silverton, OR Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    Oh goodie a fifth thread on this non story.
     
  9. 4NONISSUE

    4NONISSUE south sound Member

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    Why do you think they want to ship coal overseas? Its just like the halt put to the Natural gas pipeline from the great white north, Ohh more government controlled non issues??
     
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  10. GOG

    GOG State of Jefferson Well-Known Member

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    I didn't see the other threads, but if you look, there is an unmistakable pattern and this is just one more part. Am I a conspiracy theorist? I don't believe so, but I am observant.
     
  11. Martini_Up

    Martini_Up NW USA Well-Known Member

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    How many non-issues does it take to become a catastrophe?
     
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  12. PiratePast40

    PiratePast40 Willamette Valley Well-Known Member

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    This is exactly why we get labeled as ignorant hillbilly extremists. The information is easily found, there are multiple threads all over the internet, and people still sound false alarms. It makes it sound like some people are only concerned with bi*ching about every single thing, screaming that the sky is falling, and blaming it on the current administration.

    We have legitimate reasons to be fighting this socialistic movement by the left. We don't need to start tilting at windmills.
     
  13. Redcap

    Redcap Lewis County, WA Well-Known Member

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    I can only hope it makes heavy metal prices rise, since I make a fair portion of my income as a scrapper.
     
  14. RicInOR

    RicInOR Washington County Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    @ GOG - yes there are other threads, the search feature returned an error on me or I'd list a couple of links.

    @ thread - the EPA regulations the plant can't meet are from 2008. Which you have to know came after a long period of time and hearings.

    This is one of those get the gun rights folks all worked up in a lather non-stories.
     
  15. Blitzkrieg

    Blitzkrieg WA Well-Known Member

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  16. PiratePast40

    PiratePast40 Willamette Valley Well-Known Member

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  17. Blitzkrieg

    Blitzkrieg WA Well-Known Member

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    Main points I take from this are

    1) If the ammo meets the AP bullet regs, no more US surplus ammo to mere civvys

    2) Or it will cost a lot more

    Neither are good for us