Lars Larson show tomorrow

[RVTECH]

Ex Pat Californians from Bend who RV & CAMP and still kinda like America (A little)

Gettin' to be fewer every year...........

 

[Just Jim]

I agree on most of your points, but we do have an agenda here - to discuss, celebrate, debate, educate, enjoy, encourage and defend all things guns.

Here is the mission statement for NWFA:

NorthwestFirearms.comwas founded based on these three goals, which comprise our core mission:

Communication - Increase the speed and frequency of communication between firearm owners, pro-firearm groups, manufacturers, and others.

Organization - Provide resources for firearm owners to organize themselves in support of the 2nd Amendment.

Advocacy - Educate the public on safe firearm use and ownership, while promoting land stewardship, shooting sports, hunting, and self defense

The only point I wish to make is that it's pointless to just aim someone to NWFA if they arrive to find they have no idea where to go to actually locate the information regarding 941 activities. There is a lot going on here all the time, and new visitors can be overwhelmed, not knowing where they should go and what they should read.

And, consider that we'll get people from both sides visiting. What if either of them come across the little arguments here about the NRA, voters of a certain political persuasion, etc. - what conclusion may they draw in a 10 minute visit? Will they find what they need to get active against 941? Or may they get turned off at some folks arguing?

I'm only suggesting that without some semblance of form and organization, we may not help the cause by pointing people to a site where they can't very quickly find 941 specific information.

Wow, well written reply with some really good points.

To address you points all I can do is give you my point of view. The site itself is for the promotion of your views on guns but what we are trying to do is organize against corruption. This is a great place with average people who want a better life. We are ordinary like everyone else and we see not just our gun rights being abused by emergency powers but all rights.

Corruption is far bigger than guns and it is a unified issue. There is no party line or any agenda in fighting it. When people come here they will see us trying to organize and may help. If we are too organized they will let us carry the load and walk away. How many guys just pay the NRA and never fight for right?

The arguments here are just like home to some. However we need to police ourselves to make us look like a family and not dysfunctional.

It's going to take all of us to steer this in a manner for the best outcome. Our goal is to get out the corruption in government so we can live our lives. We have really good people here, we can do this.

 

[Certaindeaf]

I agree on most of your points, but we do have an agenda here - to discuss, celebrate, debate, educate, enjoy, encourage and defend all things guns.

Here is the mission statement for NWFA:

NorthwestFirearms.comwas founded based on these three goals, which comprise our core mission:

Communication - Increase the speed and frequency of communication between firearm owners, pro-firearm groups, manufacturers, and others.

Organization - Provide resources for firearm owners to organize themselves in support of the 2nd Amendment.

Advocacy - Educate the public on safe firearm use and ownership, while promoting land stewardship, shooting sports, hunting, and self defense

The only point I wish to make is that it's pointless to just aim someone to NWFA if they arrive to find they have no idea where to go to actually locate the information regarding 941 activities. There is a lot going on here all the time, and new visitors can be overwhelmed, not knowing where they should go and what they should read.

And, consider that we'll get people from both sides visiting. What if either of them come across the little arguments here about the NRA, voters of a certain political persuasion, etc. - what conclusion may they draw in a 10 minute visit? Will they find what they need to get active against 941? Or may they get turned off at some folks arguing?

I'm only suggesting that without some semblance of form and organization, we may not help the cause by pointing people to a site where they can't very quickly find 941 specific information.

Right toward the end of your post should be "actionable" information, if I read your intent/meaning right.

 

[Gator Monroe]

The Corruption = Open Borders /Crony Capitalism / Creeping Socialism / Welfare State Mentality/ Eco Overreach / Political Correctness run amok / Progressive Common Core brainwarshing of Kids/ Hatred of America due to its Racist Bigoted Sexist Colonialist Imperialist Past/ ... And then there is 2A/RTKBA and the battle to retain Private Firearms Ownership . THEY ARE TWO DIFFERENT CAUSES , so lets focus on 2A/RTKBA & past ,pending & future Firearms Restrictions and the folks (Party) foisting them on us . Lets not confuse the OTHER STUFF in this battle and conversations , Budget Battles and Social Justice and general political mishegoss is a distraction and I will try & focus on Gun Control and who we are fighting in that matter , give me a chance to focus and keep that in mind.

 

[pokerace]

I found this interesting, From Senator Jeff Kruse.

I liked this line because it's true. ", but this issue is all about politics and political payback."



MAY 8, 2015


A SHORT HISTORY LESSON


First, the House passed Senate Bill 941, otherwise known as the gun background check bill, on mostly a party line vote and the Governor has said she will sign it. For the record, I voted against the bill when it was in the Senate. The House Republicans offered two minority reports which would actually have done something positive in the manner of keeping guns out of the hands of criminals, but this issue is all about politics and political payback. If you will remember, the anti-gun people from New York put over $600,000 into various House and Senate races in Oregon to get this result. The new provisions in law are really not enforceable and many of the sheriffs from around the state have already said they will not enforce it. Single party rule does have consequences, and this clearly is one. I thought I would end the discussion on this issue with a quote from Benjamin Franklin. "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what is for dinner. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote." As we continue to look at the erosion of our freedoms this quote is a relevant observation.


Over the last couple of months we have had a workgroup focused on the administrative structure of the education system and the failures of that system. Historically K-12, community colleges and higher education have operated in their own universes, which hasn't actually been helpful in trying to create a true K-20 system. A few years ago the Legislature made the Governor the superintendent of public instruction and allowed him to create a governing board called The Oregon Education Investment Board. The Governor then created several other boards, which at the end of the day has just added to the bureaucracy. The provision in law creating OEIB was up for renewal this year, and we are going to make it go away. Our plan is to put an interim structure in place with the hope of being able to bring to the legislature a different, more comprehensive model in the 2016 Session. To that end we are establishing a work group that will meet over the summer to develop that plan.


It may be appropriate to give a little bit of the history of how the education system has gotten in the shape it currently is in. First, from the Oregon specific perspective, the passage of Measure 5 in the 90's had a major impact on education. Before that time 75% of the funding was at the local level through property taxes. We are now in a situation where 75% of the funding is coming from the state. The reality is that school performance was better when there was local control and unfortunately control tends to come from where the money is. The fault lies with both the legislature and the executive branch as we have both demanded accountability for the money we send to schools, which requires a lot of reporting and data collection that really has little to do with the actual education of kids.


This has been doubled down at the federal level. In 1980 President Carter created the Department of Education as a separate agency at the federal level. We get federal funding into our schools from primarily two federal agencies. Most of the funding for meals comes from the Department of Agriculture, and more of the program funding comes from the Department of Education. Both have a lot of reporting requirements and accountability measures. These requirements became a lot more significant, expensive and time consuming when President Bush signed No Child Left Behind into law. The federal government has continued to be more dictatorial during the Obama administration to the point where we are now dealing with things like Common Core Standards and Smarter Balance testing. So we now have a situation where it can take as many as 19 schools days to prepare for and take the federal tests. This is time that should be spent teaching kids subject matter, not trying to match some arbitrary federal standard. On top of that we believe it actually costs school more to meet all of the federal requirements than the feds give us to implement the programs.


Our goal is to get back to a system where teachers had the freedom to actually teach. Maybe even back to where the grades given in the classes were the appropriate level of accountability in the system. We used to have the best education system in the world. It could very well be the only way to get back there is to end the federal intrusion and limit the state intrusion as well. It worked before; there is no reason to assume it wouldn't work now.


Sincerely,


Senator Jeff Kruse







If you are interested in reading my past newsletters please click on my webpage link below:


http://www.oregonlegislature.gov/kruse

 

[RVTECH]

I liked this line because it's true. ", but this issue is all about politics and political payback."

So do I - but we still have 941 as the sucker prize to their 'politics and political payback'

 

[Certaindeaf]

So who shorted Nike? those poor clapping people

 

[Certaindeaf]

Who effected the shimsham? golly, never know
clap clap.. today..

 

[Just Jim]

What a horrible story they just had on losing your guns due to a retaining order. If you didn't hear it you missed a big story.

 

[NoFlinch]

Who effected the shimsham? golly, never know
clap clap.. today..

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You know, I think that is one of the best graphs I have ever seen.

To bad I have absolutely no idea what it represents.

But I like it!................................................

 

[RVTECH]

What a horrible story they just had on losing your guns due to a retaining order.

Yea just caught that myself - unbelievable! You might consider drafting a short post summarizing it for those who aren't aware of it.

 

[etrain16]

Wow, well written reply with some really good points.

To address you points all I can do is give you my point of view. The site itself is for the promotion of your views on guns but what we are trying to do is organize against corruption. This is a great place with average people who want a better life. We are ordinary like everyone else and we see not just our gun rights being abused by emergency powers but all rights.

Corruption is far bigger than guns and it is a unified issue. There is no party line or any agenda in fighting it. When people come here they will see us trying to organize and may help. If we are too organized they will let us carry the load and walk away. How many guys just pay the NRA and never fight for right?

The arguments here are just like home to some. However we need to police ourselves to make us look like a family and not dysfunctional.

It's going to take all of us to steer this in a manner for the best outcome. Our goal is to get out the corruption in government so we can live our lives. We have really good people here, we can do this.

I like where you're going with your ideas Jim. I'm hoping we can, collectively as a group pull together to be the focal point for all things 941, and I-594 too.

 

[Certaindeaf]

You know, I think that is one of the best graphs I have ever seen.

To bad I have absolutely no idea what it represents.

But I like it!................................................

Yea, I re-read that. My fail. Nike stock is down at closing today, as it should be forevermore.

 

[Justaguy]

The Corruption = Open Borders /Crony Capitalism / Creeping Socialism / Welfare State Mentality/ Eco Overreach / Political Correctness run amok / Progressive Common Core brainwarshing of Kids/ Hatred of America due to its Racist Bigoted Sexist Colonialist Imperialist Past/ ... And then there is 2A/RTKBA and the battle to retain Private Firearms Ownership . THEY ARE TWO DIFFERENT CAUSES , so lets focus on 2A/RTKBA & past ,pending & future Firearms Restrictions and the folks (Party) foisting them on us . Lets not confuse the OTHER STUFF in this battle and conversations , Budget Battles and Social Justice and general political mishegoss is a distraction and I will try & focus on Gun Control and who we are fighting in that matter , give me a chance to focus and keep that in mind.

Lets add feminism and male sexual dominance to your list -- however you are right to keep the focus on 2A/RTKBA issues

 

[Just Jim]

I like where you're going with your ideas Jim. I'm hoping we can, collectively as a group pull together to be the focal point for all things 941, and I-594 too.

We can do it if the guys will be a part of it. What American will not stand against government corruption? People in Washington state are in their battle and it's costing them big money in their fight. We could join forces because reality is the way the election was ran to bring about their gun control votes was corruption. The ballot should have been clear and only one title.

I repeat myself too often but the system no longer works so the peaceful tools we have are limited to working outside the system with boycotts. We have no way to hold them accountable when the elections are corrupt. When those elected don't fear us and trample one right then all rights can be trampled. Right and left can agree on that.

Boycott state government.

 

[NoFlinch]

We can do it............ .......... Right and left can agree on that.

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[Just Jim]

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You are very generous on Saturday mornings.

 

[etrain16]

We can do it if the guys will be a part of it. What American will not stand against government corruption? People in Washington state are in their battle and it's costing them big money in their fight. We could join forces because reality is the way the election was ran to bring about their gun control votes was corruption. The ballot should have been clear and only one title.

I repeat myself too often but the system no longer works so the peaceful tools we have are limited to working outside the system with boycotts. We have no way to hold them accountable when the elections are corrupt. When those elected don't fear us and trample one right then all rights can be trampled. Right and left can agree on that.

Boycott state government.

I agree that this should be an issue that is in full agreement by members of all parties. It irritates me, particularly in this state, that only the R party ever bothers to stand up for it. I do believe that if all voters made their voices known on this issue, both parties would defend it. Just imagine if the D party all of a sudden decided to take up the mantle of defending the rights of gun owners - what would follow? Would the R's suddenly begin promoting gun control, just to be contrary? Or would they both fight for it and each one claim to be a stronger advocate?

I only think this can work if we can unite a lot more on the D side to be active and vocal with their reps and senators and, if necessary, for at least one election cycle, agree to stand on this one issue and dismiss them from their positions. Once Salem got that message, I do feel that gun control would be pushed aside. Yes, it may mean that some D voters may have to bypass some other items that are important to them, but giving a big victory the other side for one cycle, with clear communication that they were sent packing over anti-2A legislation, would likely make a huge impact.

Doing what we've been doing all along won't work, we already know that. Our only real option in this state, with the voting demographic we have, is for everyone who is pro-gun to unite only behind pro-gun candidates. If not, I don't know that there is much else we can do. Yes the boycott may get some attention, but we wield the one true weapon of power that they fear - our votes. And I'd love to see that weapon put to use in a big way next election.

 

[Just Jim]

I agree that this should be an issue that is in full agreement by members of all parties. It irritates me, particularly in this state, that only the R party ever bothers to stand up for it. I do believe that if all voters made their voices known on this issue, both parties would defend it. Just imagine if the D party all of a sudden decided to take up the mantle of defending the rights of gun owners - what would follow? Would the R's suddenly begin promoting gun control, just to be contrary? Or would they both fight for it and each one claim to be a stronger advocate?

I only think this can work if we can unite a lot more on the D side to be active and vocal with their reps and senators and, if necessary, for at least one election cycle, agree to stand on this one issue and dismiss them from their positions. Once Salem got that message, I do feel that gun control would be pushed aside. Yes, it may mean that some D voters may have to bypass some other items that are important to them, but giving a big victory the other side for one cycle, with clear communication that they were sent packing over anti-2A legislation, would likely make a huge impact.

Doing what we've been doing all along won't work, we already know that. Our only real option in this state, with the voting demographic we have, is for everyone who is pro-gun to unite only behind pro-gun candidates. If not, I don't know that there is much else we can do. Yes the boycott may get some attention, but we wield the one true weapon of power that they fear - our votes. And I'd love to see that weapon put to use in a big way next election.

My focus is not D or R on this. I hope everyone sees it isn't about party. Party is a fight that will never end, but both parties better realize the system is corrupt now and needs to be fixed. It's far bigger than gun control, the tactics used are corrupt and if we don't stand up every time they want to they will declare an emergency to get what they want.

When the system isn't corrupt it works as its supposed to. There is no way voting to change it is going to work now in my opinion. We have no way in the system to hold them accountable so we have to work outside the system with peaceful tools to end the corruption. We have boycotts and marches and media blitz as our peaceful tools. If we keep the narrow focus that it's about clean government then we have a chance. Break it into party or agenda and we will lose by division.

 

[NoFlinch]

My focus......and we will lose by division.

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