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Know The Enemy of Liberty: the National Rifle Association

Discussion in 'Legal & Political Archive' started by darrenlobo, May 7, 2014.

  1. darrenlobo

    darrenlobo New Member

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  2. deen_ad

    deen_ad Vancouver, WA Well-Known Member

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    <- Why there aren't any school shootings in Israel!
    Teacher with long gun slung over her shoulder!!!

    Wow, what a pile of crap!

    Deen
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    "A gun is like a parachute. If you need one and don't have it, you'll probably never need one again!"
     
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  3. darrenlobo

    darrenlobo New Member

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    Deen, the flip side of arming the people is disarming the govt. The advocates of a heavily armed govt are, unwitting perhaps, opponents of liberty.
     
  4. Don H

    Don H Oregon Well-Known Member

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    Although the NRA is far from perfect -- who is? -- they do get a lot of things done. And the liberals hate them, which is even better. :)

    If you've done 1/1,000,000 of what the NRA has done, I'd sure like to hear about it.
     
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  5. Stomper

    Stomper Oceania Rising White Is The New Brown Silver Supporter

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    Moderation in all things... If the Federal Government is completely disarmed, how would it live up to the Constitutional requirement of providing for the common defense of the nation? How about fighting interstate (true) crime? Securing our borders?

    Quite honestly, I actually don't mind having the government armed to the teeth, it just needs the proper Constitutional IRON FISTED checks and controls. I used to be one of those heavily armed, highly trained government goons, but in all my days would NEVER have turned that against my fellow countrymen... Not even a little bit.

    Nothing is "evil in and of itself", the problem with government lays with opportunistic parasites within the system that abuse the very freedoms (that we are supposed to jealously cherish) in order to line their grubby and pathetic pockets.

    The problem with the citizenry is that far too many have grown dependent on one (or multiple) "freebie programs" to "make a living", or are willing to let the government "take care of things" instead of embracing the satisfaction of personal achievement and independence, so they keep voting the parasites back into office.

    This "misdirected" attention and "compromised" values is what has enabled our governmental apparatus to BEHAVE unchecked like it has been, not the NRA (per se).
     
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  6. rick benjamin

    rick benjamin USA, Or, Damascus Secure the drama Silver Supporter 2016 Volunteer

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    Darren;
    Thanks for linking to the article.
    Like other 5th column endeavors, it seeks to demonize and discredit.
    The NRA is much more than the hyperbolized slanted misdirected picture painted by liberal, libertarian media.
    I've been a life member for 30+ years, and read my father's American Rifleman magazines before getting my own subscription. I saw the changes to the organization caused by liberal socialists in the 60's. The magazine was once full of hunting, shooting, military shooting, military history and (prior to 1968) guns for sale through the US mail, all legal.
    Same issues for my life membership CRPA (California Rifle & Pistol Assoc).
    There was firearms shooting classes in almost every middle and high school in the nation, as well as reserve officer training classes for the several branches of the armed forces.
    While there may be sworn officials who don't believe in the Constitution, there are many many more active and retired that swore to protect and defend the Constitution from all enemies foreign and domestic.
    I suspect Stomper and I took the same oath and when released from active duty, was not released from that oath.
    The NRA is the totality of it's members. We train police and service members that would ordnarily not be able to get training. We support Boy Scout troops with smallbore shooting competetions, host Appleseed history and shooting matches, are training women in unprecidented numbers to learn to shoot and qualify for concealed carry certificates.

    DRRC is a NRA club, one must be a member to be a member. The club has required it since 1956.
    We permit US Weather Service, US Post Office, Several Federal and local police departments to use our ranges. Our hi-power matches are well-attended by several military reserves, notibely the USMC.

    The money that NRA spends for lobbying and litigation comes from my pocket as well as other members.
    Money doesn't grow on trees, ya know.

    And as of late, we run USPSA, 3-gun, and IDPA matches, training serious civilians in combat arms.

    You are misinformed, or a 5th columnist
    Sincerely
    Rick
     
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  7. Stomper

    Stomper Oceania Rising White Is The New Brown Silver Supporter

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    Correct... released from active duty, the oath I've never renounced or rescinded... Never will.
    :)
     
  8. gaijinsamurai

    gaijinsamurai Beaverton Well-Known Member 2016 Volunteer

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    Is the NRA perfect? Of course not. There are things about the organization that annoy me, but I believe they are the single most effective means of protecting our Second Amendment rights, so I maintain my membership and support them.
     
  9. GrpCapMandrake

    GrpCapMandrake Vancouver Active Member

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    That article was the largest piece of garbage I have seen in a long time and I read articles about Hillary Clinton today. I just got back from the Fred Meyer. They had aluminum foil at everyday low prices. Please feel free to stock up.

    I happen to personally know a number of the folks that work at the NRA training people in the proper use of firearms. I have seen them time and again sacrifice personal time to conduct classes and even do so at their own expense, because it means that much to them. To castigate and disparage the NRA is simply to show your own ignorance.

    To further rebut that article would be a waste of my time and energy. As a final rebuttal to your posting I am going to write the NRA another check and call my friends and let them know I appreciate the work they do.

    Best Regards
    Mandrake
    Patron Member of the NRA
     
  10. Bacchus

    Bacchus The Republic Active Member

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    I agree with this.

    darrenlobo, please troll somewhere else.
     
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  11. gaijinsamurai

    gaijinsamurai Beaverton Well-Known Member 2016 Volunteer

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    Well said, Mandrake.
     
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  12. Stomper

    Stomper Oceania Rising White Is The New Brown Silver Supporter

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    As frustrated and angry as I get when I observe how out of control things have gotten, I endeavor not to go to the extreme opposite and adopt a "scorched earth" ideology.

    Any true American patriot should not look to, or wish for the government to be overthrown, but rather have it be RESTORED. Preferably that will happen via the ballot box, rather than the cartridge box.
     
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    drew OR Well-Known Member

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    Completely agree. The cartridge box is an absolute last resort but the threat should always be present because it is an option.
     
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    motoman98 Gresham, OR Active Member

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    Darrenlobo: "NRA) puts itself at the forefront of the shills for tyranny and empire."
    As an NRA life benifactor menber, I don't agree with this in any way, shape, or form.
    I believe this propaganda must be identified as such in a speedy manner.
     
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  15. darrenlobo

    darrenlobo New Member

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    Thank you for the polite reply. My point is that the NRA should focus on guns & gun rights. As it is it should change its name to the National Conservative Association or perhaps the National Republican Association. I'm not criticizing them for defending gun rights, the problem with them is venturing into other areas. That tells libertarians like me to get lost. We need to work together to defend gun rights & that requires focus.

    There are many LEOs & military people that mean well. They don't understand that while they are part of the "standing army" many Founders warned against they are destroying liberty. Gun rights are secured by securing all other liberties. That means taking away the govt's ability to tyrannize. It doesn't mean give the govt forces that can tyrannize & hope that it doesn't.

    "This subject is so self-evident, that I am almost ashamed to prove it: for if look through the world, we shall find in no country, liberty and an army stand together; so that to know whether a people are free or slaves, it is necessary only to ask, whether there is an army kept amongst them?"

    --John Trenchard An Argument Shewing, that a Standing Army is inconsistent with a Free Government, and absolutely destructive to the Constitution of the English Monarchy http://www.reformation.org/john-trenchard.pdf
     
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  17. Gator Monroe

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    Wait , Israel has the Most Draconian Firearms Rules Resrtrictions & Laws one could imagine ( Far Beyond any Socialist 2A HatingLeftists Wet Dream of California )...
     
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    cookie THE SOCIALIST STATE OF KALI - FORNIA Well-Known Member

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    Fear the government and its uniformed. That is who will take you liberty and God given rights.
     
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    RedRyder ID New Member

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    I'm a uniformed member of the government and I have no intentions of taking your liberties or God given rights. In fact I swore an oath that I would defend them. I take umbrage to your implication that because I'm a uniformed service member I would obey an unlawful order to remove you or anyone else of said liberties and/or rights. Perhaps I've misinterpreted you and this was simply a hasty and inaccurate summarization of your feelings towards uniformed members of the government. Perhaps I have not. Either way, regardless of whether I agree with what you say, you have the right to say it and I will defend that right.
     
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  20. Ben Beckerich

    Ben Beckerich NW Oregon Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    Hmm.. I actually pretty much agreed with everything in the article, and I've pretty much never supported the NRA and their compromise approach to gun control. How is it I seem to be the more conservative one in this thread? That never happens!

    Totally more conservativer than you.