For everyone who says their Kel Tec ***** (inset model there) runs great - there seem to be an equal number who have issues - from the P3ATs to the P-11 to the the KSGs. They have some great concepts - but poor quality controls and executions. Nutnfancy has had a chance to run with some pre-production bull pup 223's and video the results - and well, no way in hell I'd trust my arse to that gun, and I'm 99.99% sure I would never drop money on one of the production guns when they hit the shelves. Dunno bout ya'll - but having the mag fall out after every shot or two, or the gun not picking up rounds from good mags - seems like a bad thing to me. I think I would sooner buy a Hi Point .223 than a Kel Tec carbine.