Kate Brown & Knute Buehler... Where they stand on guns

[CamoDeafie]

1. If you inferring that the majority of Counties would be willing to side with Sanctuary Counties, I doubt it, nor do I think you would see a majority of Oregon Counties adopting these measures. Even so, this would end up being heard in the State court system. In the hypothetical case you describe, do you really see a State court ruling against a law created by the State Legislature, approved by the State Attorney General and signed by the Governor ? Especially in this State which is all but owned by the Dem's.

How many of the 36 Counties in Oregon are Republican? I would think a great majority of them, if one were to look at the maps? I do see what you mean though, and is why I stated would the State go after the Sanctuary Counties for such a stunt, and if so, would the other Counties go "WTF State, clearly your State laws violate the Federal 2nd Amendment!"? -Which is the point I'm trying to illustrate as to why it would have to go to the SCOTUS; because a State law that contradicts the Federal 2nd Amendment, Especially after the fact that Oregon State law indicate that it is prohibited to form paramilitary groups and militias that are not under State control....... cannot exist.

2. The SCOTUS chooses which cases it wants to hear. Something of this nature would be sent back to the State with a big WTF, do your own job.

maybe. maybe not.

3. Not every possible thing that can be imagined is written into the United States Code. It is only meant to be a guide to enforcing existing law and added to as needed. It is up to State Legislatures to craft laws within their scope of their jurisdiction.

there is the matter of Federal Supremacy Clause, as well as the 10th Amendment of powers not expressly held by the Feds to be held by the State... which also means States may hold powers that the Feds do not, BUT the States cannot contradict, nor circumvent what is laid out in Federal Law, else it is an unjust and unconstitutional law, unless decided by the SCOTUS or District Courts to be within the scope of the State powers (see 9th District.)

Which brings us to your mention of :

4. The illegal immigration issue is a prime example of overstepping jurisdiction by a lower governmental body. It is contrary to the way such bodies are supposed to interact with each other and not legitimate. The only reason it exists is that it was engineered by extremist activists who have little or no regard for the US judicial system. It remains because it is one segment of a much larger issue, illegal immigration throughout the country. I suspect it will survive until the main point is resolved, whether we maintain our national sovereignty or discard it for the benefit of demographic gains by one political party. It has not been strenuously addressed by the Federal government for that simple reason, it is more a political issue than it is a point of law. This is also why your hypothetical scenario for the 2A sanctuary County law would not pass muster in the SCOTUS. There is no one able or willing to bring that issue to the SCOTUS level.

This is going to be very interesting regardless, and especially with the Migrant caravan issue right now.

5. Law Enforcement officers enforce the laws of the office they hold. They do not create them. The continuum of Federal, State, County is simply the way the judicial is structured. Unless you are proposing that a County measure would be impetus to throw the system upside down, that's just the way it is. Another one of those things not written into a law somewhere because it is obvious.

And yet, County Sheriff are specifically named as the only constitutional law enforcement office in the US Federal laws, although I would grant that the 10th Amendment right of the State to form their own State Polices without needing to involve the Constitution; however again, if the State doesn't have the manpower, the funding, nor the resources to afford to enforce its own laws on the counties, and depend instead on the counties to enforce them....what becomes of the 2A sanctuary counties then? They could simply tell State to go pound sand on some of the State laws, and force the State to send in its own Police to enforce, and then the whole jurisdiction becomes a political and ethical problem,.

It's been a long and disappointing day. I'm logging out so I can start dreaming about living in a beautiful State that isn;t messed by socialist azzhats....Later on.

I hear you on that. We are seriously looking at our finances, and trying to figure out if it would be easier to just sell everything possible, and move out of Oregon.

 

[etrain16]

Well, I'm certainly not surprised at the outcome in Oregon last night. We voted for:

• More failed leadership under Kate Brown
• and have given her full control of the House and Senate, again
• another increase in property taxes
• another vote FOR illegal immigrant protection
• More of the same failed Dem policies that are driving this state in a downward spiral - failing schools, homelessness, increased taxes and we all know it - MORE F#$KING gun control.

And the 2 things that pizz me off the most is this - only 1/2 of Oregonians bothering to vote, in a damn vote by mail state. Is it laziness? Or do they just not give a sh!t that the state is falling apart? Either way, no excuse.

Secondly - there were enough votes cast to keep Kate Brown out of office last night - unfortunately, they were split between 5 different candidates, assuring another 4 years of Kate. Look at the numbers below. Obviously many Oregonians didn't want Kate, but as per usual, couldn't rally behind a single candidate to make it happen. So, 50.5% of the vote was cast AGAINST Kate Brown, and she won anyway. Ridiculous and disappointing.

And I will note, again, that not a single one of the 4 "3rd party" candidates had a snowball's chance in hell of winning. I'd rather have had a RINO governor who could have at least been a blocking vote against a Dem controlled legislature than what we ended up with. I used to love my home state, now I'm just disappointed that so many folks want to take it the wrong direction.

 

[oneharmonic]

I think panic buyers can hold off. In the online sales era, prices are dictated by the national marketplace.

I don't see any major legislation at the national level happening. And manufacturers are still producing at full tilt.

The results last night at the state level were not only Democratic victories up and down the ballot, but lopsided ones. They weren't even close, meaning it wasn't a turnout issue for Republicans, but truly a difference of opinion.

 

[nammac]

Well, I'm certainly not surprised at the outcome in Oregon last night. We voted for:

• More failed leadership under Kate Brown
• and have given her full control of the House and Senate, again
• another increase in property taxes
• another vote FOR illegal immigrant protection
• More of the same failed Dem policies that are driving this state in a downward spiral - failing schools, homelessness, increased taxes and we all know it - MORE F#$KING gun control.

And the 2 things that pizz me off the most is this - only 1/2 of Oregonians bothering to vote, in a damn vote by mail state. Is it laziness? Or do they just not give a sh!t that the state is falling apart? Either way, no excuse.

Secondly - there were enough votes cast to keep Kate Brown out of office last night - unfortunately, they were split between 5 different candidates, assuring another 4 years of Kate. Look at the numbers below. Obviously many Oregonians didn't want Kate, but as per usual, couldn't rally behind a single candidate to make it happen. So, 50.5% of the vote was cast AGAINST Kate Brown, and she won anyway. Ridiculous and disappointing.

And I will note, again, that not a single one of the 4 "3rd party" candidates had a snowball's chance in hell of winning. I'd rather have had a RINO governor who could have at least been a blocking vote against a Dem controlled legislature than what we ended up with. I used to love my home state, now I'm just disappointed that so many folks want to take it the wrong direction.

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All those California license plates wandering our roads, I'll be giving them the finger as a gesture of thanks for last night. They destroyed their own state and now have come here to destroy this one too...

The coasts are pretty much hosed...

 

[DuneHopper]

We get what we deserved, we reach out and hold hands with Dems, what did we think would happened?
Even this site appeases some aspects to keep neutrality rather then fully oppose the cause.
They are not the only ones, as seen by last night many are going with feeling good, rather then fighting.
The turn out was disgusting, given the importance of the election
and across this entire country people stayed home rather then vote.

Gun stores need to setup a policy no selling to anyone belonging to a D party, they are doing it to us we should them.

 

[WasrNwarpaint]

I did that last time still trying to get caught up from it . We might need a black net forum for buy sell trade with each other.

tell me when!

 

[JavaDude]

Well, I'm certainly not surprised at the outcome in Oregon last night. We voted for:

• More failed leadership under Kate Brown
• and have given her full control of the House and Senate, again
• another increase in property taxes
• another vote FOR illegal immigrant protection
• More of the same failed Dem policies that are driving this state in a downward spiral - failing schools, homelessness, increased taxes and we all know it - MORE F#$KING gun control.

And the 2 things that pizz me off the most is this - only 1/2 of Oregonians bothering to vote, in a damn vote by mail state. Is it laziness? Or do they just not give a sh!t that the state is falling apart? Either way, no excuse.

Secondly - there were enough votes cast to keep Kate Brown out of office last night - unfortunately, they were split between 5 different candidates, assuring another 4 years of Kate. Look at the numbers below. Obviously many Oregonians didn't want Kate, but as per usual, couldn't rally behind a single candidate to make it happen. So, 50.5% of the vote was cast AGAINST Kate Brown, and she won anyway. Ridiculous and disappointing.

And I will note, again, that not a single one of the 4 "3rd party" candidates had a snowball's chance in hell of winning. I'd rather have had a RINO governor who could have at least been a blocking vote against a Dem controlled legislature than what we ended up with. I used to love my home state, now I'm just disappointed that so many folks want to take it the wrong direction.

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This is what I have preaching forever. We are stuck in a two party system so people need so stop wasting their vote by voting for a third party and allowing the worst person of all to get elected. It is not rocket science. The other problem we faced this year is the fact that we have had a solid stream of Californication and elsewhere coming in to this state which resulted in an additional 800k plus voters this time around. As usual though, Brownstain didn't win by any landslide, it was more like a couple of dirt claudes.

 

[SUPER X]

If the State isnt gonna go after the Counties, then it doesnt matter much. If the State DOES go after the Counties.... then it would matter, because the Feds will have to get in on it as mediator between the Counties and the State. In other words, there would be a court decision in which either the State have to repeal and remove certain laws as has happened in the past, or the Counties are told to play nice with the State laws [/QUOTE

All those California license plates wandering our roads, I'll be giving them the finger as a gesture of thanks for last night. They destroyed their own state and now have come here to destroy this one too...

The coasts are pretty much hosed...

They moved here to escape the hell they created and are making our state a new one . They are everywhere around where I live and just as stupid and arrogant as they were when they lived in cali

 

[CamoDeafie]

They moved here to escape the hell they created and are making our state a new one . They are everywhere where6 I live and just as stupid and arrogant as they were when they lived in cali

Indeed.

 

[JavaDude]

Sadly, our state isn't the only one they are bubbleguming up either. Look at red states like TX, AZ, FL, etc...

 

[SUPER X]

Sadly, our state isn't the only one they are bubbleguming up either. Look at red states like TX, AZ, FL, etc...

They are moving into Idaho also .

 

[oneharmonic]

Here's a prediction: Republicans in Oregon will be shut out of power as long as there is a polarizing figure in the party's national leadership.

In much the same way that Republican controlled states swung more to the right, Democrat controlled states swung more to the left. I was actually surprised how lopsided the results were on the ballot measures.

 

[bbbass]

Totally agreed. Showing up to a polling place is practically nothing. Dropping an envelop in the mail or a ballot box is less than nothing. Seriously, half the registered voters couldn't pull that off?

1. More folks than ever are apolitical... they just don't care... as long as the welfare or unemployment check arrives.
2. More guns are owned by fewer people, even tho we do have new shooters and some converted Dem shooters, we are not keeping up. Firearm ownership is less popular generally and actually looked down on. Additionally, gun owners are beating the drum about elections but we are not reaching enough people.

Well.....I guess I'll ask this question even though it's been mentioned in other threads.

I understand the "feel good" thing that comes from discussion about these bills, but can someone explain what tangible benefit would be gained from these 2A sanctuary measures. What teeth would they have ? None that I can see. State law always trumps County laws, period.
Unless the intent is to foment a "civil war" between County and State, or that it is merely symbolic, what benefit would they provide ?
Maybe the liberals (firmly in control) would be shamed and suddenly change their minds on gun grabbing ?

County Sheriffs are law enforcement that is independent from the state. The 2A laws, such as the ones in Union and Wallowa counties, compel the Sheriff under county law to not enforce any state or local law that contravenes 2A.

OK, merely symbolic. Got it. Thanks.

Nope, see the above.

And yet, County Sheriff are specifically named as the only constitutional law enforcement office in the US Federal laws, although I would grant that the 10th Amendment right of the State to form their own State Polices without needing to involve the Constitution; however again, if the State doesn't have the manpower, the funding, nor the resources to afford to enforce its own laws on the counties, and depend instead on the counties to enforce them....what becomes of the 2A sanctuary counties then? They could simply tell State to go pound sand on some of the State laws, and force the State to send in its own Police to enforce, and then the whole jurisdiction becomes a political and ethical problem,.

^^^ This ^^^

 

[Kruel J]

Any one that voted for a 3rd party candidate helped seal this deal. Shame on them.

 

[bbbass]

Any one that voted for a 3rd party candidate helped seal this deal. Shame on them.

What, you don't believe in protest votes? You don't believe in voting your conscience? .... JK

 

[DuneHopper]

What, you don't believe in protest votes? You don't believe in voting your conscience? .... JK

LOL, Voting third party amounts to playing Russian Roulette, and play fast an loose with the severity and complexity that is
our political system.
Anyone that voted third party obviously does not understand, how the citizen voting system works.
But these are the same type of people that either didn't vote, or say their vote doesn't matter, and in my opinion all failed to do their civic duty.
Sad state of affairs indeed, when people think voting for a person with no power, or influence or chance in hell
was responsible voting.

So to you 6% that voted third party, you gave the big fat middle finger to all us 3%. Thanks for standing up and helping.

 

[Ura-Ki]

LOL, Voting third party amounts to playing Russian Roulette, and play fast an loose with the severity and complexity that is
our political system.
Anyone that voted third party obviously does not understand, how the citizen voting system works.
But these are the same type of people that either didn't vote, or say their vote doesn't matter, and in my opinion all failed to do their civic duty.
Sad state of affairs indeed, when people think voting for a person with no power, or influence or chance in hell
was responsible voting.

So to you 6% that voted third party, you gave the big fat middle finger to all us 3%. Thanks for standing up and helping.

DAMN RIGHT BROTHER! Couldn't have said it better!

 

[OldTengu]

LOL, Voting third party amounts to playing Russian Roulette, and play fast an loose with the severity and complexity that is
our political system.
Anyone that voted third party obviously does not understand, how the citizen voting system works.
But these are the same type of people that either didn't vote, or say their vote doesn't matter, and in my opinion all failed to do their civic duty.
Sad state of affairs indeed, when people think voting for a person with no power, or influence or chance in hell
was responsible voting.

So to you 6% that voted third party, you gave the big fat middle finger to all us 3%. Thanks for standing up and helping.

Ol duney is right again.

 

[OldTengu]

Results in Oregon be what they may, I am hopeful for those states that held fast, and thankful for the senate gains the Republicans made.
I take it as a good omen that this showed up today.